Gender Discussions #5

[SqualorVictoria]

Why is surrogacy an answer though? Women being paid to make babies, to me it is making a commodity out of womens bodies and I'm not a fan at all. I can only imagine the long lasting psychological effects on the mother

 

[HoGi]

Someone I'm friends with on Facebook just shared this to celebrate international women's day

 

[CheshireLove]

TRAs have got nothing, no logical or rational arguments so they just go for personal attacks

Sad to see a younger woman making snide comments like this

Ash is a prime example of lib fems who are more than happy to throw women under the bus in the name of intersectional feminism. Why are so many young women so desperate to essentially throw women’s right away and please men. She’s so self righteous, no matter the subject. I do wonder if she’ll feel ashamed about this in the future. Does she still worship at the altar of Corbyn? It’s so hard to keep track.

A “boring cisgender”. No “horse in this race”? Clearly you don’t understand Ash.

 

[Lonelylondon]

@witchofwestbyfleet I get why some (thankfully not all yet) companies want to use descriptors like ‘vagina owners’ but they mean women. Women have vaginas. And if someone who IS a woman but doesn’t want to be known as one doesn’t like being in the same category as ‘women’ then tough, really. Surely if you’re a woman with a cervix you’re going to know you still need a smear test. Not suddenly wake up one day and forget just because you now use they pronouns.

Yep, and what bothers me the most is that, when it comes to medical communication, you really need to keep things as simple as possible. The UK has a lot of people who’s first language may not be English, woman is simple ‘I am a woman so I need to get a smear test’, person with a cervix’ not so simple, ‘do I have a cervix? I don’t know.. what’s a cervix?’ For example

So re the ‘people with a cervix’ thing, I actually think it’s kind of ironic that we could actually take the language they want used, and flip it.. I’m gonna use the toilet scenario as an example (even though I think the toilet thing is focussed on waaaay too much and isn’t really a massive issue)

so, let’s go along with them and remove the word woman from everything, women’s toilets are now cervix toilets, women’s shelters are now cervix centres etc etc etc

well guess what, trans women don’t have a cervix
If they want to start using body parts to define woman and man then bring it on
Sometimes you have to give a group what they want for them and everyone else to realise how stupid it is

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Oh Jamil would champion Bestiality if she thought it earnt woke points:

'Mxn copulating with elephants are our WARRIORS and I am so grateful to them for helping me, especially when I was touched up 2,000 times in 10 minutes on the tube last Monday.'

Get in the BIN you fucking prick.

 

[Blair159]

I normally just lurk here reading this thread but I saw something on tiktok earlier that I had to let you guys hear:

So it was a video of a trans woman (probably no older than 25) talking about how she'd had a call from her GP surgery asking if she wanted to be put on the register for cervical screening. She (thankfully) asked them why they'd put her on the register when she doesn't have a cervix and they said it's because people get offended if they're not offered Thank god she was in agreement that it was utterly ridiculous and taking away valuable resources from real women! What a waste of the NHS's time and money!

I'm going to try and find the video to share it here but honestly what a fucking joke pandering to these people!

 

[judgejohndeed]

Ash seems to think she’s some wonderful progressive type but as much as I dislike Julia HB, the comment Ash made to Julia was extremely misogynistic. Like I’ve said before in my opinion it’s the women who are into all this ‘just be kind’ ‘don’t reduce me to my vagina’ ‘I don’t mind men in my spaces so nor should you’ who show the most internalised misogyny of them all. We expect it from men but seeing women lower themselves to it is really sad. Not to generalise on my experience but the women I know who are very 'TWAW' are women who I would say are very unfortunate with men, treated poorly in the past so are very conscious/wanting of male attention, and it seems to me that it's very much an extension of wanting to be wanted and accepted by men to be honest. The whole 'Pick Meisha' thing.

 

[maytoseptember]

Feminist Twitter is REALLY fucked off with The Guardian and Eddie Izzard (and his lifelong “boob envy”, mentioned in the interview) for spouting such ignorant, fetishistic crap in the first place.

And right above the Sarah Everard story. How you can put “I’m promoted to she” right above a story about a murdered woman is infuriating.

The replies to Sarah Ditum are

 

[IndominusRex]

'Females' makes me think of the dad from Friday Night Dinner.

 

[Aquamarina]

JFC! I heard about this on Twitter, but hadn’t seen the original post. This is absolutely horrific! This woman is being coerced and gaslit into sex with a clearly autogynephilic man who has an open and festering wound, in order to spare his feelings at the expense of her own. So much so that she feels she needs to be drugged up to just do it anyway.I have no words for how vile and messed up I think this is.

 

[Zenchick101]

Oh I dunno, it would amuse me to see how they deal with being curled up on the floor in pain with endometriosis, and see how they deal with being continually brushed off by the medical profession because "it's part and parcel of being a woman". Oh, and being told by a male doctor when you ask repeatedly for the offending bits to be removed, for 25 YEARS, that "you might want children".

Yes on the endometriosis part, having a male doctor tell you for years in a patronizing tone "periods aren't supposed to be pleasant you know" and prescribe you drugstore medication.

 

[judgejohndeed]

I think it’s not mutually exclusive for people to enjoy make up as a form of art etc and also to feel an external pressure to wear it that makes it less of a choice and more something you’ve been conditioned to do. I also love make up, but what I play around with at home isn’t what I wear on a daily basis. Also, whilst I enjoy putting on make up, I would never go to work without it - so there is an external influence here despite me liking the process of putting it on. I also think it’s less ‘women putting make up on for men’ and more that we are expected to do more to our appearance to be considered socially acceptable than men do. I get up half an hour earlier than my partner to get ready for work in the same job. In the past when I’ve gone to work with less make up on - not even none - I’ve been asked if I’m ill or told I look tired. Not so for men.

 

[judgejohndeed]

'Rowling' is trending on Twitter, I absolutely dread when this happens now.



Why must they be heroes? What's wrong with them being normal characters like...most of the rest of them. If you want a story where trans people are the hero go and write it

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Radfems vs Libfems

 

[CheshireLove]

I just had a big argument with a male friend of mine who this I’m ‘disrespectiful’ to trans people because I admitiedly was mocking them by repeating some of the above quotes posted here from trans activists! When I told him that these were direct quotes and sent him screen shots he said it wasn’t fair for me to judge all activists off of a few isolated cases.. argh this guy is one of my best friends, he’s very far left, he has a heart of gold but he just cannot see my point of view and it is SO infuriating, he doesn’t think that women’s spaces or rights are at threat in any way... at this point I almost hope that shit kicks off and gets more crazy just so that people’s eyes can be opened to the madness!

This is the case with many lefty men. Nice chaps - but there comes a point where they just don’t get it. A close friend of mine is the same, lovely guy but he thinks everyone should be treated the same and I’m some kind of ultra feminist.

I think it’s best to realise that most men, no matter how left or woke or sensible and rational they seem, are not motivated by feminist values, will not actually further feminist issues and will never truly understand our arguments - because they are not women. They do not understand what it is to be a woman.

Men might listen, lend a sympathetic ear, fundraise, charity work etc but they really will never truly get it. That’s not to say men are creatures devoid of empathy but on feminist issues, there’s a point they won’t pass and we cannot count on them.

On feminism, I think men are welcome to support us - and they should - but they’re not part of the movement because it is not for them.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

I'm out of fucks to give at this stage so honestly if someone was pushing me to add pronouns to my email signature and was still pushing it after I politely declined I would be taking out the employee handbook and asking them to point out exactly where this is stated as a requirement.

At a certain point we have to stop being nice and start being firm.

 

[2020two]

Just leaving these statistics here. My chances of being murdered as a woman in the UK is far far higher than a transperson. By the looks of things I would be safer if I transitioned.

 

[maytoseptember]

He's saying that women get more 'mannish' with age and therefore it makes it easier for a transwoman to 'pass'

Thats exactly what he’s saying. The misogyny “Women get so unattractive as they age which is great for burly transwomen like me”.

 

[sephylily]

this person is one of the thickest individuals i've seen on twitter. no facts. no ability to read. no ability to grasp that in the very video you are quote tweeting it states that this is a list of women killed in the last year instead bleating on about trans women who were killed several years ago. and yet still 100 odd people liked it.

 

[jewelkitty]

Around half of trans people experience sexual violence in their lifetime. If you want to read the statistics, they're all out there in black and white (or colour, depending on the website layout!), but I don't know why I'm yelling into an echo chamber, really... Women face a lot of violence too, but we can at least present ourselves the way we want to (eg I can wear a dress or go out in jeans, scruffy jumper and short haircut) without fear. Sure, you get the odd arsehole who wants to yell at us, and lots of women are sexually harassed and abuse - it's awful and more needs to be done about it, of course!! It's just that trans people also face this sort of behaviour - even more so because they're caught between the expectations of their birth genders and those of the gender they want to identify as. You can go on disliking trans people as much as you want, but please read the statistics; despite being a rich, developed country the UK is nowhere near being a 'safe space' for anyone, and denying there's a problem seems only to assert that all ''natural'' women have a perpetual victim status???

What planet are you on? Women can't go out in a dress without fear, nor jeans and a jumper or anything else!

Men attacking trans people is not women's fault nor our problem frankly, we have more than enough problems of our own.

If the majority of women aren't like this, they why does the trans movement have to be as sneaky and under the radar as possible in their activism? Such as them admitting to getting self-ID in Ireland through whilst everyone was distracted with the marriage equality referendum? They know LGB generally have majority support in western countries and they try to ride their coattails because they also know the majority of the population don't support their insanity. That's why they keep quiet and out of most mainstream news, except for of course the Guardian, lol.

LGB people never tried to force anything on non-LGB people. They can just live their lives and they won't affect anyone else. Trans people couldn't be further from that. They want in on our sports, our spaces (prisons, hospitals, domestic abuse and rape shelters, changing rooms, toilets) and our language is being dictated so that we can only refer to women when it's regarding trans people, or makeup or dresses, NOT in regards to anything serious such as menstruation, pregnancy, endometriosis etc. You make the argument that trans people are such a small part of the population: EXACTLY! So why must the rest of society be forced to bend to their every whim and demand?

You also say the people who take things the wrong way are a tiny minority. Do you think the criticism of JK Rowling was fair? The hoards of disgusting rape and threat threats were anything but of a tiny minority.

ETA: You can say no to Daily Mail or tabloid links but I say no to any Pink News link. Nothing reliable about them, they're extremely biased, misogynistic and homophobic.