THREAD NUMBER 5.
A thread to continue gender discussions...
A thread to continue gender discussions...
I’m on my iPad and I was a bit butterfingers with it but now I know how to do itThanks @emmer_moans for starting the new thread!
I think a lot of the "individuals with cervixes" talk is designed to reach women who "don't identify" as women and might otherwise think it irrelevant to them. I guess that's not a problem with home tests, as they will just post it to women regardless of "gender identity"/"pronouns"I’ve just read an article on the BBC app about a trial in London of at home smear tests (DIY and post off)... all woman centred!!! Finally! No mention of ‘individuals with cervices’ (is that the plural?) or ‘cervix owners’. Just WOMEN. You know, the group that needs smear tests. I’m actually sad that I read it with a knot wondering when some awful label would come up halfway through. Two years ago I wouldn’t have even considered it, and now I read an article about cervical smears waiting to hear some BS name for women.
This is a disgrace.Another women's refuge gone for not catering to men
And at a time where gender based violence (against women) is on the riseAnother women's refuge gone for not catering to men
Sorry noticed my link didn’t work, it was just a link to an article about the rise globally in violence against women during the pandemicAnd at a time where gender based violence (against women) is on the rise
where is the uproar about this? The conversation on race last year was 100% valid, but I can’t help but notice any uproar regarding women is non existent..
Yes, exactly. And conversely we don't want (as reportedly happens) men who don't have a cervix showing up and wanting to use gynaecology services so they feel "validated"!@witchofwestbyfleet I get why some (thankfully not all yet) companies want to use descriptors like ‘vagina owners’ but they mean women. Women have vaginas. And if someone who IS a woman but doesn’t want to be known as one doesn’t like being in the same category as ‘women’ then tough, really. Surely if you’re a woman with a cervix you’re going to know you still need a smear test. Not suddenly wake up one day and forget just because you now use they pronouns.
@Phil Anne Throw Pee I think she made a good point about the 'sleep with whatever consenting adult who'll have you' coming across really douchy but I agree, I think ContraPoints is often a lot of style/performance over substance - and really, really long. I also find the drinking really weird and unnecessary.I managed just under an hour.
She is articulate and well read, I will give her that. But the majority of this is performative bullshit, littered with inaccuracies and hypocrisy. She is TOTALLY dismissive of the experience of women, sorry, cis, women, who have experienced misogyny. She is totally reductive (something she accuses us of) and laughably talks about transphobia and abuse and the use of acronyms, whilst simultaneously smearing the word TERF across the screen every 2 minutes or so just in case we'd forgotten it existed as a term of abuse. Our biology and our experiences of being a woman do not mean shit and the trans community have it far worse than anyone. She is obsessed with Rowling (or Joanne as she keeps calling her) and is far too smug for her own good.
Yep, and what bothers me the most is that, when it comes to medical communication, you really need to keep things as simple as possible. The UK has a lot of people who’s first language may not be English, woman is simple ‘I am a woman so I need to get a smear test’, person with a cervix’ not so simple, ‘do I have a cervix? I don’t know.. what’s a cervix?’ For example@witchofwestbyfleet I get why some (thankfully not all yet) companies want to use descriptors like ‘vagina owners’ but they mean women. Women have vaginas. And if someone who IS a woman but doesn’t want to be known as one doesn’t like being in the same category as ‘women’ then tough, really. Surely if you’re a woman with a cervix you’re going to know you still need a smear test. Not suddenly wake up one day and forget just because you now use they pronouns.
I dunno if they're trying to sound subtly threatening when they use someone's first name like that. Ages ago when I first got pointed to a Contrapoints video I left what I thought was a fair comment, that I thought her theatrics got in the way of her points and that I also found her condescending. Someone swooped in on me addressing me by first name as I commented using my google account. I dunno it kinda felt deliberately invasive, they were so snide and passive aggressive. I changed my name on my account after that lolWhat is it with people calling her Joanne as if they know her? And often it’s people on the opposite side of this discussion.
I love that she can’t be cancelled. Who ever called her “she who cannnot be cancelled” on the last thread is a genius.
Someone on the covid thread got told off by a non-binary person because they assumed she was a woman whilst doing some volunteer work. I mean, most people are one or the other. NBs are so self important and also boring.
I've said on former threads that if someone identifies as non binary I know I won't be able to have a reasonable conversation with them. I have a non binary acquaintance who was great fun in their former self but is now just so boring and self important and bristling with victimhood. Being around someone like that is exhausting, having to watch every word you say and not being able to relax in case you cause offenceWhat is it with people calling her Joanne as if they know her? And often it’s people on the opposite side of this discussion.
I love that she can’t be cancelled. Who ever called her “she who cannnot be cancelled” on the last thread is a genius.
Someone on the covid thread got told off by a non-binary person because they assumed she was a woman whilst doing some volunteer work. I mean, most people are one or the other. NBs are so self important and also boring.
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