Men have a small amount of breast tissue but they do not have breasts.
Is this the new excuse to get us all to call breastfeeding “chestfeeding”.
the problem I have with this is that "chest" generally refers to men (not only of course) but it is getting rid of a female term (IMO) - a lot of this change seems to just be moving away from women and to male termsIf the language is only intended to be used for people who identify as a trans man/non binary then that’s ok I guess. I’ll never ever accept the word ‘chestfeeding’ myself. All it would require was an extra question for midwives to ask at your first appointment really and it goes down in your notes. It doesn’t have to be made into this huge thing.
I fear that like many things to do with this movement that it won’t stop there though.
Also I thought body parts weren’t ‘gendered’ these days (female penis etc). But for some reason the term breastfeeding makes these people feel uncomfortable, guess biology matters more than they care to admit. But they seem to want to have it both ways all the time
Yes 100% agree. It’s like men are the ‘default gender’the problem I have with this is that "chest" generally refers to men (not only of course) but it is getting rid of a female term (IMO) - a lot of this change seems to just be moving away from women and to male terms
exactly, it seems this whole debate to be going backwards tbh... language has always tended to go to the male (i..e guys) why not use breast feeding for everyone of that is what you want?Yes 100% agree. It’s like men are the ‘default gender’
That’s a big problem we have - it seems that everyone should know the absolute exact right thing to say all the time and they get bollocked and cancelled if they get it wrong. Not everyone has the same experiences as you so you can’t expect people to all be coming from the same place. For instance I have access to the internet, I use social media, etc so can easily access these debates and questions and learn more. But my grandmother hardly uses the internet and doesn’t have a clue what Twitter is. So if she uses the wrong terminology it’s not because she’s being purposefully bigoted, it’s because she genuinely doesn’t know. It’s ok not to know and I think we all need to remember this.Are we allowed to say woman now? Genuinely not goading here I’m just confused as to what’s right and wrong these days
Slightly related but I’ve noticed that ‘gender neutral’ uniform is always trousers. I know that women have broken through and are able to wear trousers without causing a ruckus in public but I always find that it’s seen as the default setting. Probably have answered my own question here so this is more of a passing observation!Yes 100% agree. It’s like men are the ‘default gender’
I think the article which sparked this (which frustratingly is behind a paywall) did say that ‘chest feeding’ is to be used for people who identify as trans/ non binary. I haven’t read it myself but that’s what other people who have paid subscription have said. In this case I don’t have a problem, it’s if it’s a blanket term being used for everyone then it starts to cause problems. Does anyone have the full article?If the language is only intended to be used for people who identify as a trans man/non binary then that’s ok I guess.
That’s a big problem we have - it seems that everyone should know the absolute exact right thing to say all the time and they get bollocked and cancelled if they get it wrong. Not everyone has the same experiences as you so you can’t expect people to all be coming from the same place. For instance I have access to the internet, I use social media, etc so can easily access these debates and questions and learn more. But my grandmother hardly uses the internet and doesn’t have a clue what Twitter is. So if she uses the wrong terminology it’s not because she’s being purposefully bigoted, it’s because she genuinely doesn’t know. It’s ok not to know and I think we all need to remember this.
It is a minefield! It really is. I think a lot of it [woke cancel culture] is fuelled by social media, brands and businesses and eventually policies do what business people would call “smell what sells”; they do these pretty info-graphics, clap-back insta post put downs, boycotts and cancellations because that’s what the “cool kids” are saying must happen in order to be “right”. It gets the clicks and shares.It’s a fucking minefield,
and it feels like a new rule, word that’s now an insult or faux pas is being introduced weekly, that will come with manufactured (and in most cases) faux outrage and social media performance from people who really don’t care less either way but,
it’s social media so... FIGHT.
my rule to live by right now is
**I’m not sure what I’ve done or who I’ve offended but you can bet your ass (male/femal/other) I’ve offended someone come nightfall**
This is such an interesting point and one that has never occurred to me before...there have been so many people either come on this board and say what we're talking about re toilets, prisons etc is a 'moral panic' or I see this phrase bandied around a lot online and stuff, and I have always thought it's not a moral panic to be concerned, but I actually think you're right that it's the other side causing a moral panic. If, as the article says, only 1% of the population are trans people, then the real moral panic here is coming up with this daft terminology and policy for such a small number of people - and as some people keep pointing out, it's not even like all trans people want this crap. I do see plenty of trans people on Twitter saying this is all a load of nonsense and that they believe in sex based rights. How many people are actually asking for 'chestfeeding' and the rest of it? I wonder if anyone has even asked for 'chestfeeding' in Brighton or if it's something barmy the Trust have come up with of their own accord to avoid criticism in the future, if so that is surely the definition of a moral panic. Thank you very much for putting it like this, it's really made me think.I just wish that the media wouldn’t jump on a moral panic bandwagon about it, when it will only affect a tiny proportion of people.
ah great. Welcome aboard. None of us are transphobic, we are just fighting for women and girls and sick of the bull shitI genuinely held off pressing “post reply” thinking I’d get reported for hate speech or being and “angry non inclusive cis”..... and I don’t even know what I’m doing anymore
we’re back to women staying in the kitchen staying quite, unless you weren’t a woman from birth, then you can speak because you’re allowed to be outraged, I don’t want to offend anyone but if you say one thing “wrong” your cancelled
chest feeding is just a level of WTF nobody can defend.
I’ve always been scared to come anywhere near this thread incase I called myself a female (have been all my lifeah great. Welcome aboard. None of us are transphobic, we are just fighting for women and girls and sick of the bull shit
I feel really deflated with it all today. I watched gogglebox on catch up, and they showed First Dates and there was transman on it! feel like trans issues are everywhere!
The chest feeders stuff can kiss my arse!! Do you think its transwomen pushing this and using transmen as an excuse? Just to get rid of womens words from pregnacy ect... Seems that its allll about trans women to me
Sometimes I think the leadership in Brighton just comes up with this stuff because it's been a few months since they last stirred it up and got a few inflammatory headlinesI wonder if anyone has even asked for 'chestfeeding' in Brighton or if it's something barmy the Trust have come up with of their own accord to avoid criticism in the future, if so that is surely the definition of a moral panic.
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