Gender Discussions #3

[Bitofthebubbly]

I too thought the whole pronoun thing was to denote trans people, they started the whole thing and now expect the rest of the world to follow. I refuse to give my pronouns, it’s not necessary. Other people can tie themselves in knots over it but that’s their problem. I have visions of people fretting over what pronouns to use on someone who refuses to give them, as if it’s life or death Call me a cactus for all I care.

 

[Mulholland Drive]

I too thought the whole pronoun thing was to denote trans people, they started the whole thing and now expect the rest of the world to follow. I refuse to give my pronouns, it’s not necessary. Other people can tie themselves in knots over it but that’s their problem. I have visions of people fretting over what pronouns to use on someone who refuses to give them, as if it’s life or death Call me a cactus for all I care.

Same here. The pronoun nazis can do one for all I care. I get enough grief calling my girlfriend "girlfriend" or even "partner". Perhaps I'll just say "thing" instead.

"Hi. Let me introduce you to Katy. She is my thing. We hang out. Happy now?"

Life really is getting shorter and shorter trying to keep on top of this rit.

 

[JustHereForTheAgriculture]

The one time I ‘misgendered’ someone just proves to me why this whole thing is ridiculous. And not at all sustainable. I was at the bar at a wedding and the bartender went to serve me and I gestured over to the clearly biological female across from me and said ‘no, she’s next’ to be met with ‘I’m not she’. In fairness ‘they’ didn’t get angry, just laughed it off as if I’d said something completely ludicrous (imagine calling a biological woman who is just a bit androgynous ‘she’). I wish I’d just bleeping skipped the queue.

But they make sure a huge thing of pronouns and asking for/giving your preference but in the real world out of these woke or woke infiltrated spaces, it all goes out the window. Fine in unis and work emails (fine as in doable, not fine as in acceptable) but In normal circumstances, you’re not introduced to everyone, you don’t walk around carrying a sign with your Twitter bio in case someone on the bus needs to say ‘oh I think that man left his jacket’ and has enough information to know that ‘that man’ likes to be called she.

It’s never going to get to a point where we all just call each other ‘they’ just in case. I just don’t see the end goal in any of this.

 

[Mulholland Drive]

The one time I ‘misgendered’ someone just proves to me why this whole thing is ridiculous. And not at all sustainable. I was at the bar at a wedding and the bartender went to serve me and I gestured over to the clearly biological female across from me and said ‘no, she’s next’ to be met with ‘I’m not she’. In fairness ‘they’ didn’t get angry, just laughed it off as if I’d said something completely ludicrous (imagine calling a biological woman who is just a bit androgynous ‘she’). I wish I’d just bleeping skipped the queue.

But they make sure a huge thing of pronouns and asking for/giving your preference but in the real world out of these woke or woke infiltrated spaces, it all goes out the window. Fine in unis and work emails (fine as in doable, not fine as in acceptable) but In normal circumstances, you’re not introduced to everyone, you don’t walk around carrying a sign with your Twitter bio in case someone on the bus needs to say ‘oh I think that man left his jacket’ and has enough information to know that ‘that man’ likes to be called she.

It’s never going to get to a point where we all just call each other ‘they’ just in case. I just don’t see the end goal in any of this.

Perhaps we should all walk around with big signs hanging from our necks denoting how we would like to be pro-nouned!

 

[Mulholland Drive]

I'm a les and proud of it. If you don't like it just duck off and die!

 

[holliebollie]

@JustHereForTheAgriculture that is so true... companies/education can be as pronoun happy as they like but in real life, you make decisions on whether someone is male or female in a nanosecond and would use whatever pronouns. I bet he felt a right wally saying, ‘my preferred pronouns...’ Also strange they spoke about how diversity is important to them... 50 women, 1 man, all white. Mmmm!

 

[emmer_moans]

If I am asked on the spot for my pronouns I hope I roll my eyes and say “I’m a woman”.

 

[Zenchick101]

@JustHereForTheAgriculture that is so true... companies/education can be as pronoun happy as they like but in real life, you make decisions on whether someone is male or female in a nanosecond and would use whatever pronouns. I bet he felt a right wally saying, ‘my preferred pronouns...’ Also strange they spoke about how diversity is important to them... 50 women, 1 man, all white. Mmmm!

I was called sir once in a supermarket by a idiot teen employee, he apologized after I laid him a new one and threatened to take my bits out as proof. Dipshit thought it was funny, but a ridiculous statement deserves a ridiculous response. I have typical female features and the back pain to prove it.

ONLY THING I did that day was have my hair up in a bun and no makeup and wasn't dress feminine .

 

[Mulholland Drive]

I'm a les and proud of it. If you don't like it just duck off and die!

Just wanted to apologise for my outburst with my previous post here. Guess I was a little wound up by all this trendy woke bull.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Please don't apologise. I think everybody should be just as angry with this nonsense.

 

[Mulholland Drive]

Please don't apologise. I think everybody should be just as angry with this nonsense.

Thanks.

I try to keep a rational outlook on things, especially when it comes to issues of gender representation. But I do think Ts are taking the piss sometimes, and that sets me off by saying lesbians and gays and bisexuals haven't exactly had an easy time of it either, especially over the last 40 or 50 years.

But when I read that Ts seem to think LGBs are now part of the common enemy, I just go a bit mental and lash out

 

[JustHereForTheAgriculture]

Guess I was a little wound up by all this trendy woke bull.

I know the feeling.

 

[judgejohndeed]

Atwood continuing to be potentially the biggest disappointment of my lifetime.
I'm getting especially tired of this whole 'trans people are people' nonsense they keep bandying around. They must surely know their arguments are absolute balls to have to spout emotive falsehoods to garner any support. Nobody has said trans people aren't people. Nobody has said trans people don't deserve human rights. If this was a high school debate, they'd lose. So why is it taken seriously by adults??

 

[Mulholland Drive]

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Atwood continuing to be potentially the biggest disappointment of my lifetime.
I'm getting especially tired of this whole 'trans people are people' nonsense they keep bandying around. They must surely know their arguments are absolute balls to have to spout emotive falsehoods to garner any support. Nobody has said trans people aren't people. Nobody has said trans people don't deserve human rights. If this was a high school debate, they'd lose. So why is it taken seriously by adults??

They will play the victim card until they're blue in the face, not least because its the in-thing to do in this era of woke IP. The slightest grievance generates the greatest offence in their way of thinking. Everyone must bow to what they want, even though they are very much in the minority.

 

[DanaScully]

Just wanted to apologise for my outburst with my previous post here. Guess I was a little wound up by all this trendy woke bull.

I feel the same way. It gets to you when you're constantly called a genital fetishist and a transphobe for having the audacity to be a same-sex attracted female.

les dating websites are now packed with TIMs but it's very telling that none of them appear to want to date each other!

 

[Mulholland Drive]

I feel the same way. It gets to you when you're constantly called a genital fetishist and a transphobe for having the audacity to be a same-sex attracted female.

les dating websites are now packed with TIMs but it's very telling that none of them appear to want to date each other!

Similarly with les-only forums. You'll get some TIM trolls trying to muscle in saying that we're all bigots and that we should get to know TIMs better and blah blah blah ZzzZZzzz

 

[jewelkitty]

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Atwood continuing to be potentially the biggest disappointment of my lifetime.
I'm getting especially tired of this whole 'trans people are people' nonsense they keep bandying around. They must surely know their arguments are absolute balls to have to spout emotive falsehoods to garner any support. Nobody has said trans people aren't people. Nobody has said trans people don't deserve human rights. If this was a high school debate, they'd lose. So why is it taken seriously by adults??

I'm re-reading 1984 as its as apt as ever right now and she has a quote on the back: "Right up there among my favourite books... I read it again and again."
Ehhh sounds like she needs to read it once more because clearly the link between the book and this current gender tyranny is absolutely lost on her

Also I dunno if there's any gamers here but I just got Assassins's Creed Valhalla and I don't know if they've been doing this for a while or not but Ubisoft start the game with this message:
"Inspired by historical events and characters, this work of fiction was designed, developed, and produced by a multicultural team of various beliefs, sexual orientations and gender identities."
So they care about including men who "identify" as women but not actual women, fantastic. Totally turned off playing it now.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Her quote about "people might say trans people are not people but that happens not to be a fact" irritated the hell out of me. Where has anyone said trans people are not people!

 

[judgejohndeed]

Ehhh sounds like she needs to read it once more because clearly the link between the book and this current gender tyranny is absolutely lost on her

I cannot express in words how disappointed I am in her. I have so many questions. How did they know who would be a handmaid and who wouldn't if transwomen are women? Why didn't the women in Gilead used as handmaids simply identify as men to avoid it? How come women who couldn't bear children were killed or put in the 'bleep houses' (I can't remember what she called them) but transwomen can't bear children and they weren't killing men?
Honestly it beggars belief that the woman who constructed this world as a warning about the role of women in the present day can buy into this tit. I feel like she must be extremely stupid but she clearly isn't. It makes no sense.

 

[Icemaiden01]

I cannot express in words how disappointed I am in her. I have so many questions. How did they know who would be a handmaid and who wouldn't if transwomen are women? Why didn't the women in Gilead used as handmaids simply identify as men to avoid it? How come women who couldn't bear children were killed or put in the 'bleep houses' (I can't remember what she called them) but transwomen can't bear children and they weren't killing men?
Honestly it beggars belief that the woman who constructed this world as a warning about the role of women in the present day can buy into this tit. I feel like she must be extremely stupid but she clearly isn't. It makes no sense.

Maybe she’s just trying to avoid what has happened to JK?