Gender Discussions #3

[Mulholland Drive]

Bio-holes are we?!

Yeah, I saw that too!

A few years ago I joined a local LBGT+ social media group, and everyone seemed to be of one mind - equality, recognition, respect etc.

But over the last few months that same group has become fractious and splintered by internal forces, mostly from the Trans groups. They seem to think LGBs are now part of the Problem, to the extent where they want us removed from the group, and the group's name rebranded.

The moderators seem weak as they're allowing this stuff to carry on, and any descension is immediately censored, followed by warnings (I've already received 2 for just making a couple of cogent statements, which obviously went against the grain)

This internecine hostility is doing no one any favours, and yet seems to be spreading at an alarming rate.

 

[DanaScully]

Lol I just got banned from r/feminism for posting that Tampax article

Not surprising! Reddit hates women. Even r/TwoXChromosomes is packed with TIMs and handmaidens.

 

[Doc]

We got a bunch of trans propaganda through the post at school today, aimed at “educating” primary children on these issues.

Like there isn’t enough rit going on in the world. 5 year olds do not need teaching about social justice when they’re struggling to catch up with missing out on so much basic schooling last year. Bog off.

 

[witchofwestbyfleet]

Yeah, I saw that too!

A few years ago I joined a local LBGT+ social media group, and everyone seemed to be of one mind - equality, recognition, respect etc.

But over the last few months that same group has become fractious and splintered by internal forces, mostly from the Trans groups. They seem to think LGBs are now part of the Problem, to the extent where they want us removed from the group, and the group's name rebranded.

The moderators seem weak as they're allowing this stuff to carry on, and any descension is immediately censored, followed by warnings (I've already received 2 for just making a couple of cogent statements, which obviously went against the grain)

This internecine hostility is doing no one any favours, and yet seems to be spreading at an alarming rate.

Groups dominated by trans or "queer" people can be incredibly homophobic: claiming that "cis" gay men are privileged and don't really experience prejudice the way others do, and that lesbians are spiteful, vicious hags who are oppressing trans women by not wanting to have sex with them or share bathrooms with them. I'm bisexual rather than gay, but I don't believe in gender ideology and thus get wary of being part of LGBT+ groups - especially if they're dominated by people who identify as "queer" or with certain elements of the trans community

 

[DanaScully]

Did any of you hear about Phoebe Ellison on Twitter, the TIM who created a homemade bomb because they were called 'sir'?

They also recently planned a mass murder knife attack of school children and police officers because a police officer allegedly called them an 'oddball'.

If I'm a bigot for not wanting to share female spaces with extremists such as "Phoebe", then a bigot I shall be.

 

[Mycuppatea]

unfortunately I will never sign up to be a donor for this very reason. Too much Frankenstein tit they're trying to pull, some wishing for the uterus of healthy women - not the dead cadaver used during expirements but healthy living women to just let themselves be harvested. Was very kind at first but the extremists have taken advantage of us and our good nature, we need to emulate men's reponse's to them if possible. Telling them to simply duck off, observe how men reply to them because that's the tone we need to adopt.

Yes when I was wondering about opting out of organ donation and saw the part about wanting to take genitals, wombs, ovaries and testicles I just hoped out completely. If you take someone's heart it allows a second person to live but taking their ovaries or testicles literally means that the deceased person will be having biological children from beyond the grave.

 

[Zenchick101]

Yes when I was wondering about opting out of organ donation and saw the part about wanting to take genitals, wombs, ovaries and testicles I just hoped out completely. If you take someone's heart it allows a second person to live but taking their ovaries or testicles literally means that the deceased person will be having biological children from beyond the grave.

agreed, organ donation made me uneasy a bit but.. this is next level.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Just when I think I've already reached the peak of peak of peak trans... I saw on Twitter that Joan of Arc was clearly within the "transgender umbrella" and that "cishet" historians keep "misgendering" her. How stupid are these people, seriously

 

[Zenchick101]

Just when I think I've already reached the peak of peak of peak trans... I saw on Twitter that Joan of Arc was clearly within the "transgender umbrella" and that "cishet" historians keep "misgendering" her. How stupid are these people, seriously

Ironic that france is one of the countries resisting the most to this nonsense. Do they even know her story? reaching harder then when they tried to trans Mulan lmao. NO WHERE in her story did she dress up as a dude for fun, or out of necessity like Mulan. She only put on armour during battles. LMAO no woman is capable of leading an army then? what about Mary 1st who took back england with an army?

 

[Mulholland Drive]

It scares me how society is becoming far more fractious now that identity politics is becoming a big thing, especially via social media.

I know I have said it before on here, but most of the contemporary group are perhaps going for the victimhood label and lashing out at most other groups, and then go on the defensive when those very same groups hit back.

But then I suppose we can all relate to it at one time or another. When I live in South Africa during my childhood there was a lot of homophobia against gays and lesbians, and I was advised to keep quiet about my preferences during my teen years down there or face "a good kicking!"

And even though attitudes have changed for the better for LGBs, it is still far from perfect, and we still have to fight our corner with much work still to be done.

So I suppose in a way the Ts face the same kind of tyranny, but are using social media forums as a way of getting their message across but in a far more aggressive way.

I really don't know where this will all end, and I don't even know if this post makes much sense at 7am in the morning.

All I will say for any certainty, is that I can't wait to see the back of 2020

 

[holliebollie]

Just some advice needed please! I started a new job/course today and the male lecturer started talking about E&D. All fine. Then said, “My preferred pronouns are he/him.” As if we couldn’t tell. He didn’t ask us to go round or anything but if anyone has been asked, what have you said in answer? I was thinking, “I’m a woman so the usual pronouns.” But does that come across as... I’m being difficult?! I mean, I know I’m not but will it be seen as such?

 

[Zenchick101]

Just some advice needed please! I started a new job/course today and the male lecturer started talking about E&D. All fine. Then said, “My preferred pronouns are he/him.” As if we couldn’t tell. He didn’t ask us to go round or anything but if anyone has been asked, what have you said in answer? I was thinking, “I’m a woman so the usual pronouns.” But does that come across as... I’m being difficult?! I mean, I know I’m not but will it be seen as such?

that question is triggering

 

[JustHereForTheAgriculture]

Just some advice needed please! I started a new job/course today and the male lecturer started talking about E&D. All fine. Then said, “My preferred pronouns are he/him.” As if we couldn’t tell. He didn’t ask us to go round or anything but if anyone has been asked, what have you said in answer? I was thinking, “I’m a woman so the usual pronouns.” But does that come across as... I’m being difficult?! I mean, I know I’m not but will it be seen as such?

‘if you can’t tell by looking at me then I am doing something wrong’

But annoying anything other than ‘I identify as he/her/zee()’ isn’t going to be accepted is it?

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Just some advice needed please! I started a new job/course today and the male lecturer started talking about E&D. All fine. Then said, “My preferred pronouns are he/him.” As if we couldn’t tell. He didn’t ask us to go round or anything but if anyone has been asked, what have you said in answer? I was thinking, “I’m a woman so the usual pronouns.” But does that come across as... I’m being difficult?! I mean, I know I’m not but will it be seen as such?

I don't think that's difficult. Being difficult and causing world war 3 is what a TRA would do if pronouns weren't asked or some imagined slight. We don't do that. We answer the question in such a way to convey "why are you even asking me this silly question". Something like "the usual female pronouns, thanks" is what I'd say.

It's factual and to the point plus my tone would convey a bit of disdain and hopefully make them feel a bit silly.

 

[holliebollie]

Thank you for the advice... I think I’ll just look confused/eyebrow up and say- usual for a woman thanks. They did have some strange statistics too, for example, ‘... effects 50% of people, rising to 60% when those self-identifying as female are included’ or something?! I didn’t understand if it meant men and women was the 50% then just asking trans women after, or 50% was just men then the next was with women asked?! Either one is odd. Made no sense when the next statistic just said male/female?! I didn’t bother to ask

 

[DanaScully]

Just some advice needed please! I started a new job/course today and the male lecturer started talking about E&D. All fine. Then said, “My preferred pronouns are he/him.” As if we couldn’t tell. He didn’t ask us to go round or anything but if anyone has been asked, what have you said in answer? I was thinking, “I’m a woman so the usual pronouns.” But does that come across as... I’m being difficult?! I mean, I know I’m not but will it be seen as such?

In the past when asked to share names and pronouns, I've always just said my name and then looked to the person next to me to go next and they've moved on. If pressured I would probably respond "no thanks" or "I'd rather not thanks".

If I had the guts I would respond that my pronouns are sex based like my oppression!

 

[Zenchick101]

In the past when asked to share names and pronouns, I've always just said my name and then looked to the person next to me to go next and they've moved on. If pressured I would probably respond "no thanks" or "I'd rather not thanks".

If I had the guts I would respond that my pronouns are sex based like my oppression!

wild that's not a thing here yet I don't think

 

[IndominusRex]

I’d be tempted to say no tit mate I can see your Male privilege from a mile away.

 

[witchofwestbyfleet]

I've noticed that some of the staff in my university put pronouns in their email signature even though those pronouns match the person's obviously masculine or feminine name. I know the "reasoning" behind it but it still annoys me

 

[SqualorVictoria]

It would annoy me too. For me, I thought the whole purpose of pronouns was to denote a trans identified male or female so they wouldn't be "misgendered". But it's just getting silly when the whole world is being asked to take part.