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Among the furore of the Mary Wollstonecraft statue revealed the other day (what do you all think of it by the way? I personally thinks it’s rather awful) in answer to Dr Fern Riddel decrying the TERFS, another Twitter user suggests the statue itself is “terfy” because it uses a “generic female bodies and body parts to symbolise a specific woman”.... what?!

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(On another note, I’m not surprised super-feminist Fern hates “terfs”. I met Fern when she delivered a presentation about her new book and she was rather rude to the talk moderator. Her necklace also banged against her mic the entire time - even though she took time to tell us she never wears jewellery when doing talks on tv so the mic wouldn’t pick up noise lol.) She seems to think only her own brand of feminism is the 'right' one.
 
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Among the furore of the Mary Wollstonecraft statue revealed the other day (what do you all think of it by the way? I personally thinks it’s rather awful) in answer to Dr Fern Riddel decrying the TERFS, another Twitter user suggests the statue itself is “terfy” because it uses a “generic female bodies and body parts to symbolise a specific woman”.... what?!

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(On another note, I’m not surprised super-feminist Fern hates “terfs”. I met Fern when she delivered a presentation about her new book and she was rather rude to the talk moderator. Her necklace also banged against her mic the entire time - even though she took time to tell us she never wears jewellery when doing talks on tv so the mic wouldn’t pick up noise lol.)
wait I don't get how that statue is terfy, doesn't it have a rooster? (can't really tell) also is it terfy because it has a slight feminine curve to the hips and breasts? Simplify it and make it a naked man labelled woman.
 
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If I was sitting at my desk right about now I would be banging my forehead against it, muttering "OMG!" over and over again!

I am pleased/relieved I don't follow that kind of insanity in any great detail because it really would drive me to despair.

Perhaps old Fernie would like statues representing women in this country to be torn down because it is offends her delicate sensibilities?

God, where's my desk?:rolleyes:
 
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God forbid we have a statue of a woman anywhere...quick, take down all the paintings in art galleries :rolleyes:

Edit: I think that statue is crap but I'm annoyed at people saying it is anti trans. 'sake.
 
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Among the furore of the Mary Wollstonecraft statue revealed the other day (what do you all think of it by the way? I personally thinks it’s rather awful) in answer to Dr Fern Riddel decrying the TERFS, another Twitter user suggests the statue itself is “terfy” because it uses a “generic female bodies and body parts to symbolise a specific woman”.... what?!

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(On another note, I’m not surprised super-feminist Fern hates “terfs”. I met Fern when she delivered a presentation about her new book and she was rather rude to the talk moderator. Her necklace also banged against her mic the entire time - even though she took time to tell us she never wears jewellery when doing talks on tv so the mic wouldn’t pick up noise lol.)

Excuse me while I doff my old critic’s hat:

The statue is fundamentally flawed and solely designed to push the artist’s profile. The artist has failed to achieve any sort of likeness, removing the clothes (because all women should be reduced to bits and a, apparently) and making it look like the poor figure is receiving one mega colonic. The statue is short and the worst thing about silver, is it tarnishes. So it’s a statue actually designed to get less visually appealing with age - less to do with a ham-fisted attempt at the metaphor of age vis a vis the worth of a woman, and more to do with the fact that the artist likes shiny impractical materials.

The figure carries no expression, merely existing and allowing the onlooker to project what may or may not be going on emotionally. Or to detract away from the fact the artist spent so much time having workmen cast the bits and flaps of the figure, that she lacked the skill and intelligence to give the face a human expression.

To summarise, it is the work of an artist who hated the source material and everything about the subject. Maggi (the artist, not the chicken bake) has no connection to the work, but a great deal of connection to the £140,000 she was paid for it so phoned in a cheesy, weird and meaningless rip off of Botticelli’s The Birth of Venus painting.

I don’t think the artist is going to hit payday again after this one - if only because the work was garbage in the wasteful and embarrassing sense. Not the conceptual art ripping off tasteless oligarchs with too much money sense.

ETA: I would give it one out of five stars.
 
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Excuse me while I doff my old critic’s hat:

The statue is fundamentally flawed and solely designed to push the artist’s profile. The artist has failed to achieve any sort of likeness, removing the clothes (because all women should be reduced to bits and a, apparently) and making it look like the poor figure is receiving one mega colonic. The statue is short and the worst thing about silver, is it tarnishes. So it’s a statue actually designed to get less visually appealing with age - less to do with a ham-fisted attempt at the metaphor of age vis a vis the worth of a woman, and more to do with the fact that the artist likes shiny impractical materials.

The figure carries no expression, merely existing and allowing the onlooker to project what may or may not be going on emotionally. Or to detract away from the fact the artist spent so much time having workmen cast the bits and flaps of the figure, that she lacked the skill and intelligence to give the face a human expression.

To summarise, it is the work of an artist who hated the source material and everything about the subject. Maggi (the artist, not the chicken bake) has no connection to the work, but a great deal of connection to the £140,000 she was paid for it so phoned in a cheesy, weird and meaningless rip off of Botticelli’s The Birth of Venus painting.

I don’t think the artist is going to hit payday again after this one - if only because the work was garbage in the wasteful and embarrassing sense. Not the conceptual art ripping off tasteless oligarchs with too much money sense.

ETA: I would give it one out of five stars.
Excellent summation, and very apposite.

I was going to give a similar critical appraisal, but only got as far as "What a load of pretentious rit...."
 
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I suspect she'll be cancelled by the pronoun Nazis sooner or later.

One day no one will be able to say anything, not least crack a joke, for fear of being tagged as a hater.

Of course it would be interesting if the Silent Majority actually woke up (the old fashioned meaning of "woke" btw, lol), and said "Enough is enough of this crap. Man up, ha!"
 
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I suspect she'll be cancelled by the pronoun Nazis sooner or later.

One day no one will be able to say anything, not least crack a joke, for fear of being tagged as a hater.

Of course it would be interesting if the Silent Majority actually woke up (the old fashioned meaning of "woke" btw, lol), and said "Enough is enough of this crap. Man up, ha!"
well she's underfire again for tweeting about voter fraud and the twitter mob is now trying to cancel her for that too. Whatever happened to freedom of speech ?
 
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well she's underfire again for tweeting about voter fraud and the twitter mob is now trying to cancel her for that too. Whatever happened to freedom of speech ?
"FoS" still exists, but is tagged with so many caveats that you would think you were living in North Korea or China :rolleyes:
 
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well she's underfire again for tweeting about voter fraud and the twitter mob is now trying to cancel her for that too. Whatever happened to freedom of speech ?
Yes, Gina seems to think the US election has been “stolen”...

The people calling for her to be cancelled think there’s a correlation between the evil terfs and those who think the election was “stolen”. As we’ve discussed on this board previously however not all of us who feels this way are right wing and many are liberal/left. I do hate the idea that because someone disagrees with you on the trans rights issue that they must automatically be ‘wrong’ on every other issue. The world isn’t black and white like that.

I did admire the way she stood up to the people calling for her to use pronouns in her Twitter bio. She’s entitled to do what she likes. And I love her in Star Wars!
 
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I don't use Twitter, but if I twittered the following, I wonder what kind of responses I would get:unsure:;)

I am a woman
I am white
I am university educated (in computer sciences)
I work hard
I earn good money
I pay taxes
I am thin
I am tall
I am a les
I have boobs and a womb
I like to be called Ms/she/her. But I really won't be offended whatever pronoun you care to use.
I voted for a party you probably don't like
I don't like Sam Smith


.... I think I would be toast with a Twitter meltdown within about an hour :ROFLMAO:
 
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Yes, Gina seems to think the US election has been “stolen”...

The people calling for her to be cancelled think there’s a correlation between the evil terfs and those who think the election was “stolen”. As we’ve discussed on this board previously however not all of us who feels this way are right wing and many are liberal/left. I do hate the idea that because someone disagrees with you on the trans rights issue that they must automatically be ‘wrong’ on every other issue. The world isn’t black and white like that.

I did admire the way she stood up to the people calling for her to use pronouns in her Twitter bio. She’s entitled to do what she likes. And I love her in Star Wars!
exactly were also white supremicists! I don't really agree with the idea that the election was stolen, but she's got a right to her opinion. I'm just amazed at the entitled babies that exists within the far left (I'd say)
 
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I hope one day, to settle down, get married to the woman (can I still say that!?) of my dreams, and have kids. However, one of my concerns is what will my children think when they go to school and not only be taught lessons regarding gender identification and tolerance, but also how they will cope with having two women as their parents?

Years ago it was traditional that kids just had a male and female as parents; and over the last 10 years or so kids have come to accept same-sex parents; but I wonder how they will cope when they are told that there will be no such thing as male/female, him/her etc. but they must accept the universal transgender view where pronouns no longer identify anyone, and that they themselves should no longer see themselves as boys or girls.

Not sure if I'm explaining this very well because quite honestly it gives me a headache just thinking about it.
 
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I hope one day, to settle down, get married to the woman (can I still say that!?) of my dreams, and have kids. However, one of my concerns is what will my children think when they go to school and not only be taught lessons regards gender identification and tolerance, but also how they will cope with having two women as their parents?

Years ago it was traditional that kids just had a male and female as parents; and over the last 10 years or so kids have come to accept same-sex parents; but I wonder how they will cope when they are told that there will be no such thing as male/female, him/her etc. but they must accept the universal transgender view where pronouns no longer identify anyone, and that they themselves should no longer see themselves as boys or girls.

Not sure if I'm explaining this very well because quite honestly it gives me a headache just thinking about it.
I understand what you're saying, I think perhaps your child may become curious about the sperm donor in the future, a natural instinct born from a desire to know where the other biological half comes from perhaps, and what it would have been like to grow up in a traditional family environnement. But having two loving parents is what matters the most imho, the rest is just something most people go through no matter their family - imagining what it would be live growing up differently and experiencing something they haven't.

There's been no research that I know of proving kids are better off with straight vs same sex parents, what's important really are the basics being there, a stable home, enough stimulation during childhood, giving them attention, rules but not too strict, etc.. I think you can reassess if you feel the need arising like a boy needing a male figure to look up to for advice, shaving, girls etc but that need can be fufilled by a member of one of your two families.
 
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I understand what you're saying, I think perhaps your child may become curious about the sperm donor in the future, a natural instinct born from a desire to know where the other biological half comes from perhaps, and what it would have been like to grow up in a traditional family environnement. But having two loving parents is what matters the most imho, the rest is just something most people go through no matter their family - imagining what it would be live growing up differently and experiencing something they haven't.

There's been no research that I know of proving kids are better off with straight vs same sex parents, what's important really are the basics being there, a stable home, enough stimulation during childhood, giving them attention, rules but not too strict, etc.. I think you can reassess if you feel the need arising like a boy needing a male figure to look up to for advice, shaving, girls etc but that need can be fufilled by a member of one of your two families.
Thanks. That's what I thought. Buts its the conflict between what the teachers tell them, what their classmates tell them, what society (through social media) tells them and what my future wife and I tell them in terms of who they are, who we are and how we should interact with those around us.

Fortunately, it will be a good 3 or 4 years before I finally settle down and start a family. So no big concerns yet, but it's never far from my mind
 
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