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I didn’t get my period until I was 16. I had no boobs or curves, I was rake thin. I dressed in boy’s clothes because I was embarrassed of my shape and I did actually worry for a brief period that I had a boy’s body. Now as an adult I have huge boobs and hips, not that it actually would’ve mattered if that was my shape anyway. But I dread to think what would be said or done about kids like me these days.
Thats it isnt it. You change so much in those years. This added pressure is so unfair and unnecessary. Must be so confusing for so many children.
 
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I played football, wore trousers to school and wore tracksuits and trainers outside of it, didn’t much care for anything ‘girly’ until I started noticing boys and even then I never went ‘full barbie’ because it just wasn’t me. Had plenty of kids asking me why I was “trying to be a boy” my response back then was simply “I’m not” and people accepted this. Who knows what path I’d have been led down if I was a child today. I honestly think most of these kids, especially the really young ones, should be left alone, you don’t need to send your kid to a doctor because he likes wearing a dress ffs.
I think it's especially harmful with very young children because, no matter how adamant they are that they're really a boy/girl, children under a certain age don't understand biology the way we do and are susceptible to literally believe that (for instance) if you like "girls' toys" you must really be a girl and so on. Well-meaning parents can then reinforce these beliefs which harms the child as they get older. I once read an article written by a mother whose then 6- or 7-year-old child had insisted he (it was clear from the article that the child was a boy) was "half boy and half girl" because he liked non-stereotypical clothes and toys. She had encouraged him to call himself "bigender", "nonbinary" and "they/them" which led to bullying at school and the child feeling disrespected - she cited an incident where the child was "misgendered" upon being taken to hospital in an emergency. Her conclusion was that people were treating her child unfairly; but while the child's feelings ought to be respected, he'd probably be in a much better place if the author had tried to make him understand that there's no such thing as being "half boy and half girl" and he's not less of a boy because he enjoys things that other boys don't
 
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We have a ten year old at school who, all the time I have known him, I would lay money on being gay. I honestly don’t think there is any more to it than that, but he obviously doesn’t know how to express sexuality yet. But, I am actually quite fearful for him given the amount of voices he will have whispering in his ear about what he supposedly really is. He’s very easily influenced, especially by the girls with more strong personalities in his class, and of course they’re all raised on a diet of unfiltered YouTube, TikTok and Instagram.

I would absolutely hate for him to be led down the transgender path for transetter points by his peers. Let him get to 18 and make up his own mind. He’s a gorgeous kid, a bit naughty and dramatic but you cant help but love him. I just feel sad he’s more than likely going to end up more mixed up than he would have been say, 10 years ago, because of this added element of gender fluidity being pushed as an “answer” to why he’s simply gay.
 
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We have a ten year old at school who, all the time I have known him, I would lay money on being gay. I honestly don’t think there is any more to it than that, but he obviously doesn’t know how to express sexuality yet. But, I am actually quite fearful for him given the amount of voices he will have whispering in his ear about what he supposedly really is. He’s very easily influenced, especially by the girls with more strong personalities in his class, and of course they’re all raised on a diet of unfiltered YouTube, TikTok and Instagram.

I would absolutely hate for him to be led down the transgender path for transetter points by his peers. Let him get to 18 and make up his own mind. He’s a gorgeous kid, a bit naughty and dramatic but you cant help but love him. I just feel sad he’s more than likely going to end up more mixed up than he would have been say, 10 years ago, because of this added element of gender fluidity being pushed as an “answer” to why he’s simply gay.
sad, I know if I was growing up right now I would have hopped to a gender surgery clinic and lobbed my bits off.
 
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Even at 18 it should be a rare case that actually gets approved. You're still a wobbly ball of hormones at that age.
 
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What rubbish. Wonder what the female entrepreneur who founded it 80 years ago would make of "people who bleed"

"Periods are taboo so let's shatter those taboos by removing the word woman". Great logic!
 
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Even at 18 it should be a rare case that actually gets approved. You're still a wobbly ball of hormones at that age.
yes but it would make more sense since at around that age you can drink, smoke weed (canada and some states), get arrested etc.
 
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yes but it would make more sense since at around that age you can drink, smoke weed (canada and some states), get arrested etc.
Oh yes of course. But it should be a case of its dismissed completely until 18 then at 18 the counselling etc can start.

I think encouraging transgenderism will one day be seen as child abuse.
 
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Totally. It's a scandal. In reality, actual gender dysphoria is rare- I mean real trans, not just someone who dresses in clothing of the opposite sex. Telling children they've been born in the wrong body, or "assigned" the wrong sex ar birth (or whatever the spin that's put on it) is just wrong
 
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That covers a lot of different groups and cultures although I've seen this argument discussed on various sites and the consensus was usually that in places where "third gender" exists, it is often applied to gay people; those who don't fill the expected role of a "man" or "woman"; or sometimes a way of allowing families with no sons to appoint a daughter as a substitute and have her live in a masculine role
 
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So it's progressive to do something that other unrelated cultures have been doing for "centuries"?

If I were Native American or Aborigine, etc, I'd be pretty pissed at being used as an argument for narcissistic Westeners!
 
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That covers a lot of different groups and cultures although I've seen this argument discussed on various sites and the consensus was usually that in places where "third gender" exists, it is often applied to gay people; those who don't fill the expected role of a "man" or "woman"; or sometimes a way of allowing families with no sons to appoint a daughter as a substitute and have her live in a masculine role
So its either they consider homosexuality to be its own gender or there couldnt possibly be a masculine woman so they made up another gender for that? I mean thats fine its their culture but its hardly progressive is it.

Ive had that argument used against me so many times. I need some real ammo next time I go back in lol.
 
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You could name some things that these other cultures have done in ancient history and ask why they're cherry picking bits of culture to adapt.

Also, I've no idea if the gender stuff is true or not of those cultures but never underestimate how much TRAs like to rewrite history.
 
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You could name some things that these other cultures have done in ancient history and ask why they're cherry picking bits of culture to adapt.

Also, I've no idea if the gender stuff is true or not of those cultures but never underestimate how much TRAs like to rewrite history.
Reminds me of an article I recently saw circulated on Twitter about the discovery of a mummy that was initially believed to be female, but further examination revealed that the person had been male and wrapped in order to give the appearance of hips and breasts. The experts studying the mummy had concluded the person was some kind of dancer due to markings / tattoos on the body. The most RT'ed responses were things like "trans people have always existed", "they gave HER a gender-affirming burial" and "only women would have had those markings" even though neither the article linked, nor any other I could find on the subject, said it was exclusive to women
 
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What do you all make of this argument?
To my understanding it's basically a separate category for gay people, usually gay men if I'm not mistaken. I don't think the gay men need to be necessarily feminine to be categorised like this, they just need to be gay, because that in itself is seen as gender non conformity. They don't 'fit' in like they should, so they are 'other' and there needs to be some explanation for them.

I'm not sure how these cultures view this in context (apparently these gay people were seen to be highly enlightened but that's only what I've been told by TRAs so take it with a pinch of salt), but in the western world, I'd say it was a wee bit homophobic - the idea that someone has to be straight to be a man or a woman and if not, they're something else (kinda mirroring the transing of gay people just a tad).

I mean, if you believe that gay men have 'women's souls' or were women in a past life, good for you, but I don't think it's exactly "progressive". But then again, we all know TRAs are only hiding under the name of progression, but they actually aren't, which is why they love citing this kinda thing. For people who are obsessed with talking about "cissexism" they really don't see how the classification of gay people like they're talking about is maybe....I dunno....a bit hetero-centric? Hetero-sexist? Probably not the words I'm looking for but you get the idea.

Think about it though. The only explanation for a gay man is that he has the soul of a woman rather than he's just gay? TRAs love that stuff. They love enforcing this kind of thing. It's just another aspect of their bizarre contempt for homosexuality.
 
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