This is another spot-on observation. Men don't find most weird men frightening or unnerving, they just laugh at them or find them annoying.
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Whereas I think women are very perceptive about weird men and finding them creepy. No doubt the Be Kind brigade would dismiss us as being hateful bigots, but I think it’s a primitive sense we have for safety. Sometimes you just get that feeling about someone, that they make you feel uncomfortable. It’s what I always call the, “I wouldn’t want to be stuck in a lift with……” feeling. It really makes me despair that women are being called out as bigoted and hateful, and told to be kind, and ignore our instincts. We have them for a good reason.
No NHS employee should be displaying flags, lanyards or pins of political allegiance in their place of work.NHS Scotland heading to another tribunal.
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Trainee GP who displayed Palestine flag sues for discrimination
A trainee doctor has filed a legal claim against NHS Education for Scotland after she was told to stop displaying a Palestinian flag at work.www.personneltoday.com
I absolutely agree, but she has a point about some flags being acceptable and others not. Organisations have dug themselves into a hole by favouring some groups over others and that the fact they couldn't foresee these problems is just mind boggling.
Yes, on this basis she probably has a good case, particularly now that Palestine has been recognised by the UK as a sovereign state.
“I was informed that while rainbow lanyards and other historically permitted symbols such as the Ukraine flag were fine, a Palestine pin was unacceptable,” she explains on her Crowdjustice page, set up to help fund her legal fees.
As @Ilovemusic says, the NHS should never have become a place where staff are openly permitted to signal their personal beliefs. When I worked for them, everybody wore the standard blue NHS lanyard and people wearing ideological badges would have been asked to remove them for being unprofessional.
The bullied becomes the bully. I do have some sympathy for some of them too, you are very often looking at people with a history of being sexually abused and neglected. That’s why the suicide rate is so high. It’s why Stonewall and Mermaids and ‘supportive’ peer groups are so seductive, when your own family have been at best useless and at worst abusive, or you’ve grown up in care. I feel sorry for those people… they’ve been let down and they’ve been groomed. I don’t think they realise that by trying to get puberty blockers banned, GC people are trying to protect them.
I struggle internally with this a lot because I grew up with DV and abuse in my home, as a lot of us do, and managed not to go down that route. I wasn’t groomed though. I really believe Stonewall are the real villains of the piece. There was lots of funding available for trans support just over a decade ago and they went after it, and they didn’t plan properly beyond keeping the charity and their jobs afloat. They should have foreseen all of this. They should have listened to the women who pointed it out at the time.
The trouble is, abused people can easily go on to abuse others. So the cycle continues. We can empathise with and understand this while also having firm boundaries about what is acceptable behaviour. It's the saying no part that people think is unkind, but in reality it would be unkind to say yes to delusion.
We're in the upside-down as far as I'm concerned.
We're in the upside-down as far as I'm concerned.
As @Ilovemusic says, the NHS should never have become a place where staff are openly permitted to signal their personal beliefs.
This. ^^^^^
It is a tenet of the NHS that everyone is treated equally - there is (or should be) no difference in the quality of care given to a sick child or to a convicted violent criminal. Staff may empathise with one and not the other, but they offer the best care they can to them both. It Is (or was) the NHS ethos. - no-one is refused care and no-one is discriminated against. Staff have to leave their personal feelings at home and just get on with treating patients. No-one needs a rainbow lanyard to signal that "trans-people are safe here" - because that should be a given; everyone should be safe. No-one needs to sport any flags to show their political beliefs because all patients need to be treated equally, and personal beliefs should not impact treatment or even appear to impact treatment. (How comfortable might a Jewish person feel being treated by someone wearing a "Free Palestine" badge? Or vice versa?). Or what if a member of staff is attacked because a member of the public disagrees with their views? It is just totally inappropriate to signal these allegiances at work.
Totally unprofessional and likely to cause problems in a situation which is already stressful for both staff and patients.
Completely agree about the safe here nonsense, if you have to say it then you're being performative.
I would love if the whole bring your whole self to work nonsense was done away with. People should be bringing their work self to work.
That being said I'm of 2 minds if the NHS should lose this case because they've encouraged certain political symbols and flags.
The thing that really peeves me about the nhs is pronoun badges. People caring for the sick and frightened should not be making a point about stupid pronouns. When the majority of people being looked after are elderly and vulnerable, and possibly confused, it’s unspeakably cruel. I was on a train with a bloke in scrubs wearing a badge saying they/them and I wanted to rip it off and chuck it onto the tracks. duck off
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Yes absolutely. I’m only referring to some of the group of course, there’s also the social contagion element - kids who just want to fit in to any group who will have them and at the other end of the scale, the sinister side there’s the autogynephiles and the paedophiles who are pushing, often behind the scenes, to try to get easier access to vulnerable children. Of course when you introduce ideas about ideology and sexuality to young children that leads to vulnerability in itself so as you say it can become a cycle in a number of ways. And there’s the people who just want to be bleeps, usually men who transition in adulthood. The ones who want to win women’s awards and steal our achievements and take us to court (or worse) when we point it out. I definitely do not have sympathy for all trans people, but i do have to take a step back now and then and remind myself they’re not all bad.
HEAR, HEAR.
No-one - especially in a caring profession - is going to work to be "validated". They are going to work in order to do their job, nothing more and nothing less.
As you rightly point out this is particularly pernicious in the NHS where people may be very frightened and ill, and there is a power imbalance where the professionals have all the knowledge and control. Sick people, elderly people, mentally ill people, autistic people - none of these should have to worry about "upsetting" someone by "misgendering" them - and any professional worth their salt wouldn't give a monkey's anyway. I'm not saying that staff should have to tolerate physical abuse - of course they shouldn't - but somebody using a pronoun you don't like doesn't make you "unsafe". Anyone who has to be tiptoed around like this shouldn't be in any job where they have to be in contact with the public.
I can understand some places like church-run facilities having a diversity welcome here sign as historically they haven't been 'kind' to some people on the fringes.
Somewhere like a hairdresser or a hardware shop has no need for a big stupid flag.
Somewhere like a hairdresser or a hardware shop has no need for a big stupid flag.
Do any of our fabulous North East terfs recognise this pub.
Notice he won't listen to the women but when blokes tell him to fuxk off he does.
It doesn't look like the type of pub he would frequent, so wondering if he went into purely to use women's toilets.
Notice he won't listen to the women but when blokes tell him to fuxk off he does.
It doesn't look like the type of pub he would frequent, so wondering if he went into purely to use women's toilets.
As much as the thought of a GP having a Palestine pin badge AND A DESK FLAG (somehow the need to display two flags makes me think extremist) makes me feel uncomfortable, I do agree that the NHS have asked for a lawsuit like this, such is their worship of the Progress pride flag.
If we can have this stupid tit:
Then we can have NHS staff wearing Palestine flags or bleeping Islamic State flags or any other dangerous or dubious political ideology. All or nothing.
That's BRILLIANT!
I am so proud of my region!
Well done lasses for calling him out, and well done lads for chucking him out!
"Be respectful". "Don't be nasty" - from the man who is effing and blinding and calling everyone a "f*cking cxxx". I hope they bar him.
Oh look yet another trans pride organiser is a pweirdo
Gay men should be absolutely raging about these individuals co-opting Pride, and I know slme are, but among my substantial number of gay friends... silence.
But, but, this never happens....
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