Gender Discussion #97

[Brian Butterfield]

Welcome to Thread 97 🤍

It’s been wonderful to have some new Terfy Tattlers join us. Wiki is the pink button at the top for anyone who hasn’t seen it.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

The very same people who were upset about the mere suggestion that a man in women's toilets should get kicked in the balls are now gleefully celebrating a man's murder.

 

[Falkor]

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

Just come back from sainsbos. There was a middle aged man I encountered in the milk aisle. He was wearing a pale pink hello kitty backpack, a mini skirt and a Happy Mermaid sweatshirt. Oh and his hair was in pigtails

A few years ago, it would have been unthinkable for a bloke to go out dressed like that. His fetish belonged behind closed doors. It is so fucked that all these men are forcing us to participate in their fetishes.

 

[nothanksbabes]

Talking about the UK’s broken immigration and asylum system isn’t inherently racist, xenophobic, or even anti-immigration. Right now the process simply doesn’t work. People, whether their claims are valid or not, can wait months or years for a decision. That’s cruel for them, leaving vulnerable, often traumatised individuals stuck in limbo. It's alright for people to wave flags that say "refugees welcome", but what happens when they're here?

It also strains communities asked to house them when we already face shortages of affordable housing and under-resourced services. And let's not pretend that the people who shout loudest about this aren't middle class NIMBYs who won't ever have to experience the consequences.

Cuts to policing, the NHS, education, and the justice system mean we don’t have the infrastructure to cope. Criticising that failure is about government policy and capacity, not about blaming the people seeking safety or the people concerned about their already deprived towns being subject to an imbalance of primarily men from primarily regressive Islamic states in their communities that are already the most neglected in the country.

Idgaf how left or right wing someone views themselves at this point, the current system doesn't work for anyone and it's not racist to say that.

 

[maytoseptember]

Has anyone else noticed that the GC campaigners and celebrities they follow are suddenly posting increasingly right wing stuff in general? I’m very middle of the road and I find it alarming that people whose opinions i’ve agreed with seem to be drifting further right. Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with being right wing - but I do have a problem with extremism, and when the center in general moves right, extremism comes too close for comfort.

I can only speak for myself but my eyes have certainly been opened to the impact of illegal immigration this year. Up to a thousand young men per day with no education or skills, no English or aspirations to work or prosper. Not refugees but opportunists, from religions and cultures that disproportionately commit crimes against women and girls. I see how this impacts upon our society - the social contract is crumbling, civic values down the toilet, what used to be a high trust society seems gone forever. I’m worried for my children but also worried about what sort of country we will have in 20-30 years when I’ll be a retiree.

I’m actually glad that this seems to be a hot topic in GC circles right now because it’s like we finally have permission to talk about what we’ve all been thinking for years.

If that makes me right wing then I guess the old adage about becoming more right wing as you get older is true.

 

[Ilovemusic]

NHS Scotland heading to another tribunal.

Trainee GP who displayed Palestine flag sues for discrimination

A trainee doctor has filed a legal claim against NHS Education for Scotland after she was told to stop displaying a Palestinian flag at work.

www.personneltoday.com

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No NHS employee should be displaying flags, lanyards or pins of political allegiance in their place of work.

 

[Scarlett O' Hara]

I had a roaring discussion (bl**dy big row) with my husband over the whole trans issue. He couldn't understand why I was bothered with 'some weird blokes' wanting to dress up as women. Who were they hurting? etc...etc..

Well lets just say, in an enclosed car he had to listen to me. He is a sports fanatic and when I asked how he would feel about me or any of our female relatives being beaten to a pulp in a boxing ring by a male, having male genitalia exposed in a changing room or having men cheat their way into winning in the female section of sport, I could see him clearly uncomfortable.

The clarity for him came when we discussed my last hospital stay where I couldn't be accommodated in a single room (emergency admittance) and had to share a 6 bed with 4 men and me and another woman. Those men (patients) were lovely chaps but it was so awkward and embarrassing for all of us. It really was.

At the end of the day it's about bl**dy respect. Respect for women which seems to have been lost and blatantly disregarded by these creeps and worse, the women that enable them.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Yes, on this basis she probably has a good case, particularly now that Palestine has been recognised by the UK as a sovereign state.

“I was informed that while rainbow lanyards and other historically permitted symbols such as the Ukraine flag were fine, a Palestine pin was unacceptable,” she explains on her Crowdjustice page, set up to help fund her legal fees.

As @Ilovemusic says, the NHS should never have become a place where staff are openly permitted to signal their personal beliefs. When I worked for them, everybody wore the standard blue NHS lanyard and people wearing ideological badges would have been asked to remove them for being unprofessional.

As @Ilovemusic says, the NHS should never have become a place where staff are openly permitted to signal their personal beliefs.

This. ^^^^^

It is a tenet of the NHS that everyone is treated equally - there is (or should be) no difference in the quality of care given to a sick child or to a convicted violent criminal. Staff may empathise with one and not the other, but they offer the best care they can to them both. It Is (or was) the NHS ethos. - no-one is refused care and no-one is discriminated against. Staff have to leave their personal feelings at home and just get on with treating patients. No-one needs a rainbow lanyard to signal that "trans-people are safe here" - because that should be a given; everyone should be safe. No-one needs to sport any flags to show their political beliefs because all patients need to be treated equally, and personal beliefs should not impact treatment or even appear to impact treatment. (How comfortable might a Jewish person feel being treated by someone wearing a "Free Palestine" badge? Or vice versa?). Or what if a member of staff is attacked because a member of the public disagrees with their views? It is just totally inappropriate to signal these allegiances at work.

Totally unprofessional and likely to cause problems in a situation which is already stressful for both staff and patients.

 

[Ilovemusic]

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe:


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[Sea]

Sabrina tw@t Carpenter being a further tw@t to women at her VMA performance last night.

'Her background dancers also carried signs that read 'In trans we trust', 'Dolls, dolls, dolls,' 'Support drag,' 'Protect trans rights' and 'If you hate, you’ll never get laid'.

Later in the show, Carpenter returned to the stage to accept the award for Best Album, thanking her 'queens on stage'.

Not a carer of women and girls

 

[klarakluckbag]

I've just applied to join my local WRN. I've got a lot going on in my life right now, my mum is unwell, I've just started a new job, my husband has some mobility issues, and so on.
But...every morning I have to log on to a website which displays a list of clients, and it labels the list as "Pregnant People".
It's such a small thing, and although I have made my feelings about the term quite clear, my colleagues agree with me but they're not really bothered in the same way, they just laugh (a bit nervously, if you ask me) and shrug it off.
Yet for me, it's the straw that has broken this camel's back. It's the way that this terminology has crept in and taken and we've all just sat back and watched it. I suggested using the female symbol as a marker on a record for a particular piece of data, this was rejected because it "wouldn't represent those who don't identify as women"...just to be clear, I work in maternity, every single one of our patients is a biological woman. I keep deleting the term "birthing person" when entering an autophrase on women's maternity notes. It's a small act of rebellion, I highly doubt that anyone has ever noticed, but it's a tiny win. Whenever I'm in a meeting/training session and I hear the term "birthing people", I channel Martine Croxall and mutter loudly "women" whilst rolling my eyes.

I just can't sit back and do nothing, I'm too angry. Even if my only contribution for now is to lick and stick the envelopes of the letters being sent to those who won't comply with the SC ruling, at least I'm doing something. And that helps me to sleep a bit better at night.

 

[DoraMaar]

Some lovely news for us, according to The Bookseller, Queen JK Rowling has gone straight to the top of the Official UK Top 50, with the new Strike novel.

 

[Yeah....Brackie]

Hello Terven! I was getting so angry and upset about this whole thing that I decided to have a break from reading or being involved in anything about the TQWERTY+-×÷ brigade. I dunno, it was taking over a bit and I was so sick of the lot of them, I just wanted to hide away until the tide that is turning finally washed it all away. Now, its been announced that a colleague, middle aged and married with kids, has been off for a few months save for sporadic "WFH", is coming back as a w o m a n . Some handmaidens are falling over each other the office already to say how "amazing" he is, how "brave" he is, how "hard" it must be to come back etc etc. Its put the fire back in me, and I've made a few comments.....how I think his wife and children are brave, it's not so hard in this climate, people RUN to show everyone how acepting and inclusive they are and if anyone did dare to say anything remotely non affirming they'd be straight in front of HR. Gender neutral signs have suddenly appeared on all the disabled toilets, I guess in his honour so he feels sAfE. Cause they always have to take something from someone else don't they.
We're in the same team, so my plan is to stick to just thinking we're only there to do our jobs. And saying his name and never pRoNoUnS (he's going to use the female version of his name and we already call him by the shortened name)
If I am uncomfortable with anything I will speak up though. And VERY keen to see the Sandie Peggie outcome.

I've neglected my TERFery terribly, I'm so sorry, and I know I can't ignore it, we have to keep going and stick together!

🤍

 

[klarakluckbag]

Changing the subject for a moment to share this delusional nugget of wisdom from a TIM.

The discussion is about how unfair women are when we gatekeep periods and refuse to believe that some TIM also experience them...apart from the bleeding.

Very few seem to understand that it's a menstrual cycle, and the bleeding is the end of an event that takes 28 days (can vary) to complete. Instead they try to appropriate one aspect of womanhood, ignoring the science behind it. And I usually feel a mixture of annoyance and anger whenever I stumble upon these conversations online.

But.....this comment is so bizarre and unscientific that it's funny.

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ps - during a period women may experience a nose bleed in addition to a usual period, but none of the medical reasons behind this apply to a man.

What really annoys me about these perverts and fetishists is that if they experienced even just one actual period, they would have a complete mental breakdown at the sheer horror of it all.
Even for someone like me, with an apparently bog-standard reproductive system, and no history of problematic menstruation, periods were always a fucking nightmare. For one week in every month, half of our clothes are too tight, and we can't wear half of our clothes during the following week in case anyone sees or notices any bulges, leaks or odours. We feel sticky and slightly grubby, and dread meeting anyone we know who has a dog because the dog just "knows". We can't have sex (we can, but it's messy) it's annoying when we're on holiday or are going to a wedding or a big night out. We have to carry spare knickers, pads and tampons, we have to count the days, they're just a complete pain in the arse, and men really, really don't know how lucky they are.

Nosebleed? Fuck off!!

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

LONG rant incoming, feel free to bypass!

Just a general rant from me. It seems my little town is becoming a hub/meeting place for men in dresses. I posted a while back about the bloke who lives nearby that I see out and about wearing matching crop tops/mini skirts with his teenage daughter. Also there’s a house round the corner with a (badly) crocheted “trans rights are human rights” flag hung in the window. Yesterday there was a gang of 4 of them wandering round, talking loudly to draw attention to themselves. It’s becoming a regular sight. They had hairy legs/stubbly faces/obligatory walking sticks and sunflower lanyards as per. Flapping and clapping their hands in the way only us girls do whenever we talk. I’m just thinking to myself wtaf, we’re a small little town in the north, there’s literally nothing here, why us?! I just know it’s got something to do with that wrong un round the corner. The group today reminded me of being a little kid and crossing the road to avoid the local pervert who you didn’t quite know why but you knew your spidey senses told you to stay away. My worry is that my daughter’s school is strongly fixated on EDI and if approached they would fall over themselves to demonstrate being “allies”. Especially as I see quite a few blue hairs and desperate to be noticed non-binary looking parents. I’ve said here before that I used to scoff when posters imagined the worst case scenario and ran with it as though it were a real possibility but you’ve been proven right so many times I now find myself doing the same. I’m at a point now where I WILL out myself if I feel anyone is trying to indoctrinate my daughter into this whole “born in the wrong body”/swallow down your red flags so as not to hurt men’s feelings/if you’re uncomfortable in your body it’s okay to mutilate it to avoid suicide cult. Then that makes me worry about potential implications for how my child is viewed and the fact the TRAs are becoming more vindictive and threatening recently. If you’ve read all that, cheers! Ugh, I hate this, leave my little town alone!!

 

[minimaz]

If you're trying to represent how the first woman may have looked, why have her with a full face of make up?

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Two words Maxine, you ignoramus.

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When asked if there was a parallel between Whitehouse’s campaigning and the culture wars today, she told BBC’s Front Row: ‘Absolutely. You can’t not look at very public figures, peoples, celebrities, speaking out on issues, like Mary, who have no understanding.
‘I feel they have no understanding. I will say it: JK Rowling. You’ve got people speaking out. The trans community, what has been happening and the abuse.’

I've lost all respect for Maxine Peake, and I used to love her.

She obviously hasn't paid any attention either to what JKR has actually said and written, or to the plight of women and children (and our fecking so-called legal system) when a single extreme demographic group - trans - weirds so much power that no-one is allowed even to disagree with them.

And as for the comparison to Mary Whitehouse - in retrospect, Mary Whitehouse was spot on! Mild nudity and bad language slid into a license for perversion and obscenity.

 

[Ilovemusic]

Yet again, the men have lost nothing!

 

[maytoseptember]

He was a white supremacist.
He thought climate change was a hoax.
I didn't like 99% of his views at all

But he was reasoned and argued well about trans issues. Which was annoying.

That’s the thing right? You didn’t have to agree with everything he said, or anything he said in fact. But his killing makes the world less safe because it perpetuates the idea that it’s OK to shoot someone for the crime of having opinions you don’t like. I can’t believe people are celebrating. That’s sick.

This will have massive repercussions for rallies in the States going forward, if not worldwide, and for free speech.