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Oxford Union had invited Khelif to speak

Mara encapsulates the night and day difference between us TERFs and the so called progressives.

Mara "The Oxford Union, as a bastion of free speech is of course free to invite anyone it wishes to invite to speak"
Progressives 'Cancel this person or we will protest, badmouth your venue, try to destroy your business/employment and encourage people to cancel you.
 
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Well done these ladies for taking the Pool governing bodies to court for sex discrimination in allowing transgender women to compete in the women's category. It's ludicrous that they have had to hire experts to prove that biological men have an unfair advantage when playing pool. It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain: after all why bother having separate male and female categories if men don't have an unfair advantage?
I hope that the men have every title they have won rescinded.
 
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I suspect Mara’s letter may have been pivotal in his decision to pull out. Check mate. You really don’t want to mess with a very clever elite athlete like Mara. I love her

That letter is absolutely brilliant. I have read and reread it. She is brilliant and so eloquent. And Khelif has bowed out, like the cowardly man that he is. Ha!

Let's see more of this - beautiful and factual common sense prevailing over this horrible, dangerous ideology.
 
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This resources used to ‘treat’ this man who says he’s a woman could have been put to much better use if the NHS had supported him in addressing his various mental health conditions rather than going along with with his delusions. It’s hard to see supposedly intelligent GPs affirming this fallacy as if it’s ‘normal’.
 
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“Valentine” is clearly a man. Nothing remotely feminine and clearly needs help, not encouragement. In fact, apart from the huge waste of resources, is going along supporting his delusions actually doing him any good in the long run?
I know we’re mentioned this before in these threads, but it would be cruel and dangerous to encourage people with eating disorders to restrict their calorie intake further. Yet, why do healthcare professionals and society in general have to go along with these delusions. No one dare point out the fact that you cannot be born in the wrong body. It’s impossible. It’s either dysphoria or a fetish.
 
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This resources used to ‘treat’ this man who says he’s a woman could have been put to much better use if the NHS had supported him in addressing his various mental health conditions rather than going along with with his delusions. It’s hard to see supposedly intelligent GPs affirming this fallacy as if it’s ‘normal’.
Another vulnerable person being let down by this ridiculous ideology.
 
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One of my bosses (straight/male) quotes people more if they have pronouns in their email signature 😆
 
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This resources used to ‘treat’ this man who says he’s a woman could have been put to much better use if the NHS had supported him in addressing his various mental health conditions rather than going along with with his delusions. It’s hard to see supposedly intelligent GPs affirming this fallacy as if it’s ‘normal’.
Yet another example of an extremely vulnerable person with a fairly poor prognosis (NHS MH services are notoriously reluctant to bother with people with personality disorders, since they cannot be “cured” only managed) being shoved onto the gender conveyor belt because that’s easier than trying to manage intractable mental illness.
 
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I think this TransAction sitcom about a guy who hires a TIM (played by Jordan "I'm a better woman because I am guaranteed to squirt and do anal by default" Grey) might actually be a good thing.

With a bit of luck the TIM character will be such a caricature and so insufferable that he makes all the other transactivists look bad by association.
 
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I think this TransAction sitcom about a guy who hires a TIM (played by Jordan "I'm a better woman because I am guaranteed to squirt and do anal by default" Grey) might actually be a good thing.

With a bit of luck the TIM character will be such a caricature and so insufferable that he makes all the other transactivists look bad by association.
Great example of Listen To Trans People 😂
 
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I think this TransAction sitcom about a guy who hires a TIM (played by Jordan "I'm a better woman because I am guaranteed to squirt and do anal by default" Grey) might actually be a good thing.

With a bit of luck the TIM character will be such a caricature and so insufferable that he makes all the other transactivists look bad by association.
That's what I thought too, when I read what it's about. 😁
 
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Top story in the Mail online is about a young person, Cal, child of a Fast Show actor and his film producer wife, who has tragically unalived themselves at Oxford. Incredibly bright, doing a neuroscience PhD and was also autistic. Seemed like a lovely, caring young person. Mail headline is: ‘Gifted trans student daughter of Fast Show actor…’. The Mail uses they/them pronouns throughout, but uses the word ‘daughter’ correctly in the title. Cal was a same-sex attracted female who married her wife Imogen last year. The memorial page is quoted as saying, ‘Imogen tried to secure Cal the right treatment for this all too prevalent but not yet understood crisis of suicides amongst autistic people identifying as trans.'

IMO, trans is a complete red herring and I hope to hell this isn’t jumped on by TRAs as some kind of evidence of trans victimisation. Autistic adults with no learning disability are nine times more likely to die by s*icide than the general population. It is the link between autism and s*icide that needs to be considered, not the link between trans and s*icide. Of course, the link between autism and ROGD in adolescent girls also needs to be factored in.
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Hey, I don't normally come to this thread, but something just happened that I need to vent about. I'm in a group chat for a karaoke meetup group called 'Karaoke Kings & Queens'...pretty harmless right? Apparently not, to the wokerati, it's fully popping off at the moment as someone (who I've seen at a meetup before who gives major peaked in high school energy) is getting offended because kings come before queens, and "men always go first". Proper getting up in arms offended, demanding that the name be changed. Obviously snow flakes always win, but this over sensitive woke bull nonsense grinds my gears. Then some other snowflake was saying how the name could be offputting to people that don't think their karaoke skills are good enough to be called kings/queens. I mean WTAF LOL get me off of this planet.
"King" comes before "Queen" in English partly because patriarchy, but mostly because of the rule of ablaut reduplication. If there are two (or three) sounds in an alliterative phrase, like tick-tock or big bad (wolf) or ding-dong-dell/ding-dang-dong, then the ɪ sound comes first (like tick), followed by ɑ (like tock), then æ (like tack) then ɛ (like teck) and e (like take).
 
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Cal was a same-sex attracted female who married her wife Imogen last year. The memorial page is quoted as saying, ‘Imogen tried to secure Cal the right treatment for this all too prevalent but not yet understood crisis of suicides amongst autistic people identifying as trans.'

IMO, trans is a complete red herring and I hope to hell this isn’t jumped on by TRAs as some kind of evidence of trans victimisation. Autistic adults with no learning disability are nine times more likely to die by s*icide than the general population. It is the link between autism and s*icide that needs to be considered, not the link between trans and s*icide.
The Venn diagram featuring autistic, trans and mentally unwell people is almost a circle. The transness is a complete red herring, I agree.

Very interesting choice of wording - “autistic people identifying as trans”. Autistic first and trans second. Normally the transness comes front and centre, but in this case there seems to be some awareness that the autism has caused the trans identity, which is undoubtedly correct.
 
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Top story in the Mail online is about a young person, Cal, child of a Fast Show actor and his film producer wife, who has tragically unalived themselves at Oxford. Incredibly bright, doing a neuroscience PhD and was also autistic. Seemed like a lovely, caring young person. Mail headline is: ‘Gifted trans student daughter of Fast Show actor…’. The Mail uses they/them pronouns throughout, but uses the word ‘daughter’ correctly in the title. Cal was a same-sex attracted female who married her wife Imogen last year. The memorial page is quoted as saying, ‘Imogen tried to secure Cal the right treatment for this all too prevalent but not yet understood crisis of suicides amongst autistic people identifying as trans.'

IMO, trans is a complete red herring and I hope to hell this isn’t jumped on by TRAs as some kind of evidence of trans victimisation. Autistic adults with no learning disability are nine times more likely to die by s*icide than the general population. It is the link between autism and s*icide that needs to be considered, not the link between trans and s*icide. Of course, the link between autism and ROGD in adolescent girls also needs to be factored in.
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And the Mail are hiding comments. Mine is there if I look at 'My Comments', but as usual with 'delicate' subjects, it seems to be hidden from the view of others....
 
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Hello. I'm an autist, or "on the spectrum" as people put it nowadays. Here's why I think there's such a link between autism, transing oneself, and suicide.

You're a teenager. You struggle with all these hormones blasting everything and how it makes your life unpredictable and difficult. Previously you found girls / boys (delete as appropriate) lame and stupid, but now, you want to have sex with them all of a sudden. And lots of it. Only there's a problem. Your autism makes it an impossible ask for that boy / girl you fancy the most to be attracted to you. All the other teenagers of your sex seem impossibly adept at negotiating it and talking to them while you find it like searching for a needle in a stack of needles.

You ask people for advice. Your teenage peers laugh at you for doing this or sneer or exclude you or all of the above. If you're a boy, they'll probably duff you up every so often just to make sure you know your place. If you're a girl they'll exclude you and spread rumours about you. Adults either are too busy, give well meaning but 20+ years out of date advice (life and youth culture was different when they were your age), or patronise you by saying that "it'll happen, you just need to have patience." It won't, incidentally. So you look online. After all, they don't know you. They don't know that you're an outcast and people in online spaces seem to get it. Then someone tells you "maybe you're trans and were born in the wrong body. That's why you can't seem to relate to the other girls / boys in a way they find acceptable or find a boy / girl who fancies you or you can attract." They shove all these leaflets and things at you.

(This process is known as hatching an egg. It makes me feel polluted that I know this.)

You read them. Of course! It all makes sense! You've always felt like something was wrong with you, this must be it! Result - you're taken up the Tavistock, filled full of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, and rushed into surgery to have your fool / bits sawn off. I probably would have been pushed down this route.

And then you find out you've been sold a bill of goods, you're in constant pain from having your genitals mutilated, you still feel like and are an outcast, and if you raise this with your trans identified new found family and say that you maybe think you've been sold a bill of goods they'll turn on you.

At that point, the rope seems like an appealing option.

I don't think as a society we handle people with autism very well generally. Yes, it's better than when I was a teenager in the late 1990s and early 2000s inasmuch as they aren't written off as drama queens and basement dwellers but now instead "geek" stuff is colonised by normies larping as same because they watched The Big Bang Theory and turning those interests into another outgrowth of the very culture the autists sought to avoid, and people "on the spectrum" are headpatted and patronised and pushed to basically be vaguely out the way rather than actively hated and derided. What is needed is not to patronise autists or to hate them but to simply understand that's how they are and actually treat them as normal human beings, not a morality pet. Also stop enabling them to treat their autism as their entire personality.

I also suspect there's a lot of transing the gay away.
 
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Hello. I'm an autist, or "on the spectrum" as people put it nowadays. Here's why I think there's such a link between autism, transing oneself, and suicide.

You're a teenager. You struggle with all these hormones blasting everything and how it makes your life unpredictable and difficult. Previously you found girls / boys (delete as appropriate) lame and stupid, but now, you want to have sex with them all of a sudden. And lots of it. Only there's a problem. Your autism makes it an impossible ask for that boy / girl you fancy the most to be attracted to you. All the other teenagers of your sex seem impossibly adept at negotiating it and talking to them while you find it like searching for a needle in a stack of needles.

You ask people for advice. Your teenage peers laugh at you for doing this or sneer or exclude you or all of the above. If you're a boy, they'll probably duff you up every so often just to make sure you know your place. If you're a girl they'll exclude you and spread rumours about you. Adults either are too busy, give well meaning but 20+ years out of date advice (life and youth culture was different when they were your age), or patronise you by saying that "it'll happen, you just need to have patience." It won't, incidentally. So you look online. After all, they don't know you. They don't know that you're an outcast and people in online spaces seem to get it. Then someone tells you "maybe you're trans and were born in the wrong body. That's why you can't seem to relate to the other girls / boys in a way they find acceptable or find a boy / girl who fancies you or you can attract." They shove all these leaflets and things at you.

(This process is known as hatching an egg. It makes me feel polluted that I know this.)

You read them. Of course! It all makes sense! You've always felt like something was wrong with you, this must be it! Result - you're taken up the Tavistock, filled full of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, and rushed into surgery to have your fool / bits sawn off. I probably would have been pushed down this route.

And then you find out you've been sold a bill of goods, you're in constant pain from having your genitals mutilated, you still feel like and are an outcast, and if you raise this with your trans identified new found family and say that you maybe think you've been sold a bill of goods they'll turn on you.

At that point, the rope seems like an appealing option.

I don't think as a society we handle people with autism very well generally. Yes, it's better than when I was a teenager in the late 1990s and early 2000s inasmuch as they aren't written off as drama queens and basement dwellers but now instead "geek" stuff is colonised by normies larping as same because they watched The Big Bang Theory and turning those interests into another outgrowth of the very culture the autists sought to avoid, and people "on the spectrum" are headpatted and patronised and pushed to basically be vaguely out the way rather than actively hated and derided. What is needed is not to patronise autists or to hate them but to simply understand that's how they are and actually treat them as normal human beings, not a morality pet. Also stop enabling them to treat their autism as their entire personality.

I also suspect there's a lot of transing the gay away.
This is extremely well put and explained. You ought to be going to every school in the Country to explain it to children.
 
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