Well said Barry. I hope there are protests about this.
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I strongly suspect these boxers have DSDs and aren’t trans. Either way, the IOC/national and international sporting bodies have had bleeping YEARS to clamp down on this tit.
I know that every sport the pathetic 'trans women brigade'( MEN) insert themselves into is grossly unfair, but effing hell boxing is just so dangerous. Can you imaging the damage a fully grown man in the ring can do to a woman. He could kill her with the approval of the Sporting bodies while the world watches on. Jesus, I'm actually stunned at this. 
Good man Barry McGuigan. He can see the fallout and knows the pain of a ringside death from personal experience.
Good man Barry McGuigan. He can see the fallout and knows the pain of a ringside death from personal experience.
They must KNOW they have a DSD, and they must know the advantage this gives them, and they must occasionally look in a bloody mirror. They know all that, and decide it’s ok to fight women, knowing the damage they could do. And authorities just let them. It’s sickening.
I believe they are AFAB who are intersex. That's different from being a man. I don't know about their medical history and obviously shouldn't, but there are intersex variations like my own where people have a female phenotype and are AFAB but later are found to be intersex and have xy chromosomes.
Being intersex, having xy chromosomes and even having high levels of testosterone don't necessarily confer unfair advantage. People like ne who have CAIS will have high levels of testosterone, sometimes higher than normal men, but will have no response physiologically to the androgens - CAIS stands for Complete Androgen Insensitivity. So we don't have any of the results/benefits of male puberty or testosterone.
So the relevant sporting bodies and doctors are best placed to judge whether an intersex athlete has an unfair advantage over non-intersex women. It would depend on what intersex variation the person has, what treatments, what grade of variations etc, and also I guess on the demands of the sport.
XY individuals should compete in the male category with no exceptions.
Men with malformed genitalia aren’t women. We have had years of scouts exploiting this - trying to find men with 46,XY like Semenya so they can make a lot of money beating women.
Semenya doesn’t identify as a woman except on the track. I’m betting these blokes are the same.
They are men who have gone through male puberty. They don’t have CAIS.
Exactly. We have discussed Caster Semenya on the thread before. Caster is a male individual with a DSD. In everyday life he uses “he” pronouns and is referred to as is his wife’s “husband” and as their children’s “father” (he may even be the biological father as this is possible in some cases with IVF) by the wife herself.
I wish him a long, happy and successful life, but he shouldn’t have been competing against women.
They aren’t really best placed to judge when they have been quite happy to have actual men compete in women’s sports.
These latest two have already failed a genetics test in previous competitions. I have every sympathy for anyone with a DSD, but it doesn't make it ok to exploit a clear advantage. And no one will convince me Semenya and these two and numerous others aren’t playing the system.
Real crime thread full of misogyny again. Somehow people are taking offence to a discussion around men being dangerous, in a thread literally discussing dangerous, violent crimes that have been carried out by men in the last 24 hours, because it's alienating to the good men. duck off.
By posters who have seemingly popped up from nowhere?
on a day a male has killed children. Given it was a Taylor Swift themed activity it’s very likely mostly, if not all, girls. And the staff were probably women too.
but will someone think about the poor men who don’t do these things! Today of all days ffs
Like arguing with a brick wall, that one!By posters who have seemingly popped up from nowhere?
on a day a male has killed children. Given it was a Taylor Swift themed activity it’s very likely mostly, if not all, girls. And the staff were probably women too.
but will someone think about the poor men who don’t do these things! Today of all days ffs
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That was great, thanks for the backup, team
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Sharron Davies said many years ago that there are agents travelling around poor areas, seeking out children with DSDs as potential medal winners.
I believe it. Nice little earner for all involved
Yes I remember reading that on this thread. It made me think differently about intersex athletes. I had previously felt sorry for them being singled out, especially Caster Semenya, but when I did a bit more reading I was shocked and felt cheated that “she” and others were well aware of their unfair advantage. Again, especially Caster, who lives life as a man everywhere except the track.
Considering very few people have DSD, there sure seems to be a lot of people with them competing in Women’s Sport doesn’t there. Wonder why!
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People are ANGRY in the comments. Lying thorough their teeth that this was actually a portrayal of Greek mythology not the blatant mockery of Christianity. Gaslighting is second nature to these people. Also accusing the article of being transphobic (but of course
) when the criticism was of men in woman face not even trans people. An absolute joke.
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It must be awful to be a woman referred to a doctor who supports this rit. However, the comments are not favourable
Are drag artists considered trans by trans people? I don't really understand how someone who genuinely believes they are the opposite sex thinks that a man who dresses up as a woman for an entertainment act is the same as them?
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People are ANGRY in the comments. Lying thorough their teeth that this was actually a portrayal of Greek mythology not the blatant mockery of Christianity. Gaslighting is second nature to these people. Also accusing the article of being transphobic (but of course
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