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We have just had a non binary member of staff join our team, it's exhausting, your brain has to be one step ahead when discussing thier training needs with the boss and other team members. Getting the pronouns correct is bleeping hard work - we have not even got to the stage when we have let them loose on members of the public yet. Our elderly clients who will no doubt not understand they are not she/her and will take offence to being corrected with they/them. It's already a bone of contention they appear on the teams shift rota as their given name and not chosen non gendered name but as they have not changed their name legally their name has to be their birth name as it's linked to payroll and the name they are registered to pay tax under.
I’d just refer to them by their name at all times and not bother with their ‘pronouns’ at all!
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Serves HR right for taking a cv with pronouns on it or continuing an interview once the views on mishearing were found out. They will cause nothing but trouble. Keep a record of things they refuse to do and ways in which they sow disharmony. It’s not fair this person has been imposed on you with all their special rules and beliefs.
It’s not fair that everyone else has to buy into their delusion.
 
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We have just had a non binary member of staff join our team, it's exhausting, your brain has to be one step ahead when discussing thier training needs with the boss and other team members. Getting the pronouns correct is bleeping hard work - we have not even got to the stage when we have let them loose on members of the public yet. Our elderly clients who will no doubt not understand they are not she/her and will take offence to being corrected with they/them. It's already a bone of contention they appear on the teams shift rota as their given name and not chosen non gendered name but as they have not changed their name legally their name has to be their birth name as it's linked to payroll and the name they are registered to pay tax under.
God almighty.

I've never met this person and already I'm worn out.
 
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Has anyone been on the guided Suffragette walking tour in Newcastle? We went a few weeks ago and it was really interesting. Pretty sure it was mainly TERFS attending, too 👏
Ooh, I didn't know about this. I've noticed a Suffragette blue plaque somewhere down Grey Street. I will be looking into this. Thank you for the heads up
 
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God almighty.

I've never met this person and already I'm worn out.
As James Dreyfus said in that Andrew Gold interview, bringing your ‘authentic self’ to work is one of the most devisive things you can do. You are there to do a job to the best of your ability, interact professionally with people who you probably wouldn’t normally gravitate towards socially, and go home. You don’t go there to discuss personal politics, your sex life, religion or to indulge or bend over backwards to accommodate someone’s fictional beliefs. Personally, I think the only adjustments people need to make at work are on the grounds of disability. Any bullying should of course be swiftly dealt with by HR.
 
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We have just had a non binary member of staff join our team, it's exhausting, your brain has to be one step ahead when discussing thier training needs with the boss and other team members. Getting the pronouns correct is bleeping hard work - we have not even got to the stage when we have let them loose on members of the public yet. Our elderly clients who will no doubt not understand they are not she/her and will take offence to being corrected with they/them. It's already a bone of contention they appear on the teams shift rota as their given name and not chosen non gendered name but as they have not changed their name legally their name has to be their birth name as it's linked to payroll and the name they are registered to pay tax under.
I guess it will want the flags up for this - on Sunday

International Non-Binary People’s Day 2024: What does non-binary gender identity mean? (msn.com)
 
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More sanity from Menno. ❤

Bloody LOVE Menno. Isn’t it interesting that the TRAs are constantly bleating about how we apparently want to deny them the right to exist, and yet the only person I’ve ever heard say they wish someone didn’t exist is Tennant about Kemi Badenich. Hmmmm 🤔
 
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While I'm here, Geordie and Geordie adjacent TERFs might be interested to know that the castle often has talks on around witches by the excellent Dr Katie Liddane. She is great (although often mentions the "gender" rather than sex of witches, so is possibly not "one of us") She really knows her stuff and I can highly recommend the talks. Next one is in August and is around building a memorial to the Newcastle Witches (we had the largest single execution of witches in a day on the town moor)
Details are on the castle website (all the talks I've been to there are excellent but I've enjoyed Dr Liddane's the most)
 
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While I'm here, Geordie and Geordie adjacent TERFs might be interested to know that the castle often has talks on around witches by the excellent Dr Katie Liddane. She is great (although often mentions the "gender" rather than sex of witches, so is possibly not "one of us") She really knows her stuff and I can highly recommend the talks. Next one is in August and is around building a memorial to the Newcastle Witches (we had the largest single execution of witches in a day on the town moor)
Details are on the castle website (all the talks I've been to there are excellent but I've enjoyed Dr Liddane's the most)
Newcastle heritage walks have one coming up called Nuns, Witches and Fishwives. Sounds interesting and going by this thread might be full of tattlers.
 
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I just watched suranne jones investigating witch trials. I kept thinking how not much has changed as women are still being persecuted for having a voice. I feel disheartened about the future.

Not sure how old the programme is but got it on channel 4 catch up thingy.
 
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As James Dreyfus said in that Andrew Gold interview, bringing your ‘authentic self’ to work is one of the most devisive things you can do. You are there to do a job to the best of your ability, interact professionally with people who you probably wouldn’t normally gravitate towards socially, and go home. You don’t go there to discuss personal politics, your sex life, religion or to indulge or bend over backwards to accommodate someone’s fictional beliefs. Personally, I think the only adjustments people need to make at work are on the grounds of disability. Any bullying should of course be swiftly dealt with by HR.
Exactly, and it's something we have said many times here too.

Once upon a time, people went to work to y'know...WORK. What they got up to in their spare time was very much their own business. The good old days, eh! 🥴
 
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An affront? Vandalism?

I think the academic world will survive without this vital course providing students with... what exactly?
 
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🙄 Wonder what would happen if I destroyed Jack Monroe’s “books” that I bought from Waterstones and posted about it?
If someone talked about tearing up any of these authors books because of their opinions they’d be understandably pissed off. I imagine many of them would have done as Dalcher did and made a tweet about it. Why is it somehow different in this case?

Double standards abound.
 
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If someone talked about tearing up any of these authors books because of their opinions they’d be understandably pissed off. I imagine many of them would have done as Dalcher did and made a tweet about it. Why is it somehow different in this case?

Double standards abound.
If I had more time on my hands I'd check the signatories to add to my "avoid" list, based solely on the lazy and cliched use of "egregious" there, and setting to one side the sheer oddness if authors queuing up to defend a book destroyer. Turkeys voting for Christmas?
ETA: just had a quick look, the letter apparently came from a "comedy writer", so maybe that's it. Also such a joy to see Joanne Harris listed as merely "author" rather than using "Society of Authors" to bolster her bullying.
 
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If I had more time on my hands I'd check the signatories to add to my "avoid" list, based solely on the lazy and cliched use of "egregious" there, and setting to one side the sheer oddness if authors queuing up to defend a book destroyer. Turkeys voting for Christmas?
ETA: just had a quick look, the letter apparently came from a "comedy writer", so maybe that's it. Also such a joy to see Joanne Harris listed as merely "author" rather than using "Society of Authors" to bolster her bullying.
JH seems to be the best known on the list

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Also, it seems that the 'bookseller' has been economical with the truth. It seems (I'm not 100% sure) that she might have only been working at weekends and, according to the Guardian, had only worked in Waterstones since Aug 2023.

I wonder do other shop assistants (not dissing SAs) get as much attention when they are wronged by their employer?
 
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