Gender Discussion #67

[Vanelope]

There are many reasons to want little OJ fired from the guardian (into a corner without internet) but mainly for his misogynistic glee at telling off women who think for themselves. It’s the journalists, academics, politicians and public servants who infuriate me with using their power to reduce women’s rights.

And the women who do this to all of us - ninth circle of hell is for traitors. The women who voted to let men into Hampstead
Ponds. The women who moderate and pander on Facebook groups. The women who hiss be kind at other women and insist they don’t have any problem with these perverts in their changing rooms. The women who believe a predator will never get them because they aren’t in need of a refuge or in prison. The women who would choose the bear but agree TWAW. I LOATHE them. I am fighting to protect them but I can’t forgive them.

 

[Regina Fellangi]

Well today I have hit rock bottom. Anxiety about the future for women & girls has completely floored me. For context I'm 61 and admit I live a comfortable life in a very rural environment where I'm not troubled by trans issues daily. I'd like to see a she-man mincing around the farming community here! But I just cannot switch off from worrying about the future for my daughter and other female relatives, friends and women in general. I feel hopeless and helpless. Literally sobbed to my husband this morning. Having got that out of my system I became a member of Let Women Speak with a monthly donation and have made enquiries about local activist groups. My husband has said he will come with me to any big events as back up! I'm partially sighted so would be a little nervous without help. I'm so grateful for this forum, don't know what I'd do without it.

 

[Shesaidwhat?]

Still biologically women though unlike you

 

[Lazarus]

I’m not a regular contributor to this parish, but I share your sentiments.
I seen this in a local coffee shop yesterday and it really irked me. In part because it’s all pushed towards men. Where’s the ‘trans men are welcome’ sticker or sentiment?
It’s a whole movement geared towards men taking over women’s spaces and you’ll never convince me otherwise.

 

[geraldinemcqu33n]

 

[Metropolis]

God almighty.

I've never met this person and already I'm worn out.

As James Dreyfus said in that Andrew Gold interview, bringing your ‘authentic self’ to work is one of the most devisive things you can do. You are there to do a job to the best of your ability, interact professionally with people who you probably wouldn’t normally gravitate towards socially, and go home. You don’t go there to discuss personal politics, your sex life, religion or to indulge or bend over backwards to accommodate someone’s fictional beliefs. Personally, I think the only adjustments people need to make at work are on the grounds of disability. Any bullying should of course be swiftly dealt with by HR.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

I can't remember if we've discussed the nurses who are "suing their employer for sexual harassment and sex discrimination because of a policy which allows trans women to use their women's changing rooms".

I've been following their story and listening to them on YouTube, and the summary is this.
All nurses have to change into their scrubs on the premises for infection control. The women's changing room is open (no cubicles for privacy). A male nurse called Rose has also been using the changing room.
Rose has apparently been taking female hormones but has stopped for now as he and his wife are trying for a baby. So we can conclude he is a fully intact male, no surgeries, and currently not suppressing his testosterone.

However, he continues to use the women's space to change, as he identifies as a woman. The nurses state that he makes them feel very uncomfortable, remains in the room longer than is necessary, openly stares at their breasts and makes inappropriate comments, such as "aren't you going to start getting changed?"

One nurse had her PTSD (due to past trauma) triggered after being alone with him in the room. Another nurse belongs to a religion which prevents her from being in the presence of a man while in a state of undress - so has resorted to wearing extra undergarments solely because of this man - and as a result being uncomfortably hot during her shift.

Apparently another male nurse has just began his transition, meaning that there's now potentially going to be two men in the female changing rooms.

When the nurses approached the ward manager and asker her to raise it with HR, the outcome was "their ward manager was called into a meeting with HR and senior hospital bosses and told that the nurses needed to be "re-educated".

26 nurses officially raised concerns, but the actual numbers of concerned nurses is higher. Now eight nurses are taking legal action and some (I think four of them) have waived their right to anonymity in order to speak out.

Today the case has actually been featured on Sky News, although - surprise! - the details of the man aren't mentioned in depth.

Nurses suing their employer for allowing trans women to use their changing rooms

A group of NHS employees in Darlington say they are made to feel unsafe by a male staff member who identifies as a woman and after raising concerns their manager was called in by HR and told they needed to be "re-educated". A transgender charity says people need to be more accepting.

news.sky.com

 

[Funny_bunny]

That’s actually disgusting. The case of those nurses is horrific and beyond belief. The man is a bloody pervert, not trans. Women do not and cannot impregnate their girlfriends because it’s biologically impossible and I’d say very basic biology. Why is everyone falling over themselves to accommodate a straight man who wants to hang around a female changing room? If the Trust cannot see that the fact he is doing the most male act of all means he’s a man, then I despair. I hope those nurses win their case and start to bring this whole rotten house of cards tumbling down.

 

[Metropolis]

JKR not taking any of Himdia’s shit:

 

[SkippyDoo]

I wonder if the Tennants have any clue how stupid they have been in manipulating and advertising their parental narcissism in pursuit of career kudos?

They are both painfully dim, that much is clear, but is there any hint of a whisper in the back of their empty heads alerting them to the shameful impending outcome they’ve set themselves up for?

He’s tried to be clever; he’s tried to set himself up as the anti-JKR, as the articulate, brave representative of the ‘other’ side to her, but he’s made an absolute twat of himself.

I cannot look away. Such idiotic and misdirected chutzpah.

As nervous as I am about what an inevitable Labour victory will do in terms of gender nonsense being rolled out all over the place, I do think Tennant has overplayed his hand and misjudged where the peak level of public acceptance for this stupid trend was (it was about a year ago).

The optics of a straight white man mouthing off about a black woman who “shouldn’t exist” and should be “shutting up”, and receiving an “LGBT” award because his child(ren) are in thrall to a harmful social contagion, are quite awful. A smug, self-satisfied middle-aged man mouthing off because he’s sure he’s “on the right side of history.”

 

[Vanelope]

Then we resist. We complain to schools, we pull children from gender ideology lessons, we vet social media. Don’t be afraid to be that parent - most of the teachers will agree with you, there will likely only be one true believer in the staff or one kid in the school with a parent who loves a fight. Always go back to safeguarding.

In the last year here has been a huge increase in general terfery and a greater understanding of what gender affirming care means. Doctors are going to get sued and there will be more and more cases of terrible results from cross sex hormones and surgery. There will be some tragedies with this current cohort of ‘trans kids’ - work to prevent them being in your family.

Women have formed cross political alliances around this. I see this continuing in spite of Labour. Rosie is still there and she is one of the few with an increased majority, I don’t think this is a coincidence.

 

[Vanelope]

Trying to be positive

Labour don’t have to appease the far left, TRAs or antisemitic fringe to get votes. They have the majority to ignore them. Jess Philips has now been targeted by those vocal men supporting her opposition and was quick to kick them out - maybe the other shoe will drop.

Some of these more extreme new independent MPs and reform MPs - the brand new ones, corbyn is too experienced - will have no idea what scrutiny they are about to be under and I foresee a number of by elections fairly soon.

Labour have been able to be in opposition and promise jam and rainbows for 15 years - everyone knows governing is harder even with a majority and there are compromises to be made with reality.

I am encouraged by Wes Streeting’s failure to follow the TWAW line - I think he can be a positive influence on the

Dr Cass in HoL will be scrutinising any legislation put through parliament.

Kemi Badenoch and Rosie Duffield retained their seats and can be a voice in parliament against a trans agenda.

women are aware now - we are organised, and thanks mainly to JKR, funded and given a huge platform. There is a plurality of views and ways to protest against gender ideology from Posie Parker to the legal feminists and Naomi Cunningham taking on the tribunals and they won’t stop.

There is going to be a class action lawsuit against doctors who have butchered people - maybe in the US, maybe in the UK, one will be happening sooner than we expect.

 

[takingthemickmick]

I’m wondering how many of all these LGBT award winners actually give a damn about LGB people? It’s all about gender ideology, which surely is the complete opposite. Isn’t transitioning pretty much gay conversion therapy?

The forced teaming of LGB and TQ+ is so stupid. The TQ+ are disgustingly homophobic, by telling lesbians they're bigots if they don't like "girldick." In a few years we went from "sexuality isn't a choice" to "homosexuality is bigoted." The celebration of the TQ+ causes great harm to the LGB. So many of them are heterosexual too - straight autogynephilic men calling themselves lesbians, straight "non binary" people calling themselves queer. They attached themselves to the LGB when they had no business doing that, and now decades of progression and acceptance is being undone because of these regressive idiots.

 

[Skyline89]

Jane from London just called into the Radio 5 call in with Keir Starmer and ripped him to pieces on his position on women and trans rights. Jane, take a bow!!

I'll post the link when it's live.

 

[Salted Caramel]

 

[ChastityDingle]

There are many reasons to want little OJ fired from the guardian (into a corner without internet) but mainly for his misogynistic glee at telling off women who think for themselves. It’s the journalists, academics, politicians and public servants who infuriate me with using their power to reduce women’s rights.

And the women who do this to all of us - ninth circle of hell is for traitors. The women who voted to let men into Hampstead
Ponds. The women who moderate and pander on Facebook groups. The women who hiss be kind at other women and insist they don’t have any problem with these perverts in their changing rooms. The women who believe a predator will never get them because they aren’t in need of a refuge or in prison. The women who would choose the bear but agree TWAW. I LOATHE them. I am fighting to protect them but I can’t forgive them.

Reminds me of this, and I wish I could make the handmaidens see what they are doing by kowtowing to these aggressive men.
It's so powerful, so well written, and sums up this shitshow to perfection.

 

[Miss Begotten]

I can’t deny that I’m delighted the Tories have gone, but obviously I still have some concerns about how far Labour will push things.
However, I’ve just seen that Shabhana Mahmood has been appointed Secretary of State for Justice, and I suspect that she isn’t as gender woo woo as many of her colleagues are.

In a 2024 interview, with Genevieve Holl-Allen at The Daily Telegraph, Mahmood said that she was concerned with the treatment of gender critical activists, saying that "many women have had to go to court, usually in employment tribunals, in order to clarify ... their right to say that biological sex is real and is immutable – a position that I also agree with" and that women "shouldn’t be in the position of losing their jobs" for espousing those views”.
She apparently also agrees with JKR.

 

[SkippyDoo]

Tennant got together with a single mother in her early 20s when he was in his late 30s, and married her, after women he had dated closer to his own age obviously weren’t considered wife material.

I tend to think men who do this do not want to be married to a woman of similar maturity who will tell them when they’re out of line, and need to f*ck off. Tennant delighting in telling women standing up for women’s rights to “shut up” does little to change my mind on this point.

Time and again these blokes who present themselves as the “good guys” are actually questionable in how they think and conduct themselves. Tennant has shown his true colours.

 

[SkippyDoo]

I can't remember if we've discussed the nurses who are "suing their employer for sexual harassment and sex discrimination because of a policy which allows trans women to use their women's changing rooms".

I've been following their story and listening to them on YouTube, and the summary is this.
All nurses have to change into their scrubs on the premises for infection control. The women's changing room is open (no cubicles for privacy). A male nurse called Rose has also been using the changing room.
Rose has apparently been taking female hormones but has stopped for now as he and his wife are trying for a baby. So we can conclude he is a fully intact male, no surgeries, and currently not suppressing his testosterone.

However, he continues to use the women's space to change, as he identifies as a woman. The nurses state that he makes them feel very uncomfortable, remains in the room longer than is necessary, openly stares at their breasts and makes inappropriate comments, such as "aren't you going to start getting changed?"

One nurse had her PTSD (due to past trauma) triggered after being alone with him in the room. Another nurse belongs to a religion which prevents her from being in the presence of a man while in a state of undress - so has resorted to wearing extra undergarments solely because of this man - and as a result being uncomfortably hot during her shift.

Apparently another male nurse has just began his transition, meaning that there's now potentially going to be two men in the female changing rooms.

When the nurses approached the ward manager and asker her to raise it with HR, the outcome was "their ward manager was called into a meeting with HR and senior hospital bosses and told that the nurses needed to be "re-educated".

26 nurses officially raised concerns, but the actual numbers of concerned nurses is higher. Now eight nurses are taking legal action and some (I think four of them) have waived their right to anonymity in order to speak out.

Today the case has actually been featured on Sky News, although - surprise! - the details of the man aren't mentioned in depth.

Nurses suing their employer for allowing trans women to use their changing rooms

A group of NHS employees in Darlington say they are made to feel unsafe by a male staff member who identifies as a woman and after raising concerns their manager was called in by HR and told they needed to be "re-educated". A transgender charity says people need to be more accepting.

news.sky.com

It would be very dehumanising to this male to make him use the male facilities, meanwhile he’s trying to impregnate his wife, therefore the most male action that can be imagined, indeed which is pretty much the definition of being a man. Horrifying to consider, having to change with men!!! — for him. The women have to suffer it, meanwhile he is fine with using his male body parts to get a woman pregnant, totally fine. Much like the FtM individuals who will suffer endlessly if their child’s birth certificate identifies them as “mother”, but are unfazed by conception, pregnancy and childbirth, deeply female activities…

This whole thing is NONSENSE. Trans identities are in SO many cases, not consistent and simply not true. They don’t make sense and the rest of us are meant to bend over backwards to constantly accommodate the jigsaw puzzle of what is and isn’t OK that simply does not fit together. Eddie Izzard plays men on TV whenever a pay cheque is involved and wouldn’t dream of cutting his todger off but is happy to make women uncomfortable in their loos. You’re the bigot if you call Eddie “he,” of course.

It’s a bit like me insisting I’m a lesbian and being in lesbian spaces but hey, actually I have a husband (I don’t, of course, have a husband). You’re a bigot if you question my lesbianism just because of Jeff (who safely doesn’t exist). People would overall think this was very silly and lesbians (I am actually one) might be quite annoyed. Except it’s quite a lot more serious as we are meant to indulge fetishes in prisons and refuges as well as throwing women’s sports into the woodchipper, and all for men who wouldn’t dream of throwing their precious sexual function away, meanwhile there’s a push to do this to children to validate adult feelings.

I am, in case the above were not clear enough, sick of it.

 

[YeahBrackie]

Just caught a bit of Keir talking in Parliament, proudly declaring they have the highest number of LGBT-QWERTY-BBQ MPs in any parliament in the world

I'm a lesbian and I'm sick to the back teeth of this patronising virtue signalling bollocks being rammed down everyone's throat. I don't know a single gay person who wants to be treated any differently to anyone else, or who wants to be part of a sycophantic wank fest over their sexuality. At the risk of sounding like Nan from the Catherine Tate show: what a load of old shit!