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Reform for me.

Not voting Tory because they've completely fucked the dog on almost everything despite an 80 seat majority.

Not voting Labour because of above mentioned U-turns on gender ideology. They now claim to be able to say what a woman is but it feels like they'll abandon this as soon as they get anywhere near Government. Also realistically they're so close to the Tories on most things otherwise it's not going to change much. There's a reason "the Uniparty" is a meme.

Lib Dems and Greens are totally captured. Also the latter want to kill off nuclear power which I'm a huge supporter of. I can't stand anti-nuclear types. They are the anti-vaxxers of energy policy.

That leaves Reform. I don't think Farage has all the answers but he's the only one who acknowledges the question a lot of the time. Yes, I know about protest votes but honestly? I don't care. Our political classes are so crap and captured in many ways that I don't care. A work colleague of mine sometimes watches footage of 1970s and 1980s House of Commons debates. Whether you agree with their positions or not, the politicians of back then had both principles and understanding.

Now they're all identikit clones following a cursus honorum to a megacorporation gravy train.
 
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That Dove ad is sick, seriously.

My little boy is starting big school in September, we had been debating between two.... a Catholic and a "woke" non denominational school.

Having seen this on the latter's social media yesterday, raising the pride "progress" flag in the play area, I'm glad we have chosen the Catholic school.

I wouldn't mind the original pride flag, I'm quite happy to explain to my little fella that some kids have two mammies or two daddies etc.
But I do not want this gender ideology tit being pushed on my 4 year old.
There's one flying outside a primary school that I pass by, from time to time. It turns my stomach to see it.
 
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JK Rowling, June 21 2024, The Times

On Thursday evening, I went to the best book launch I’ve ever attended, and I’m including all of the Harry Potter launches, crazily memorable though those were. This one took place in a large, old, wood-panelled room in the middle of Edinburgh, and the evening was so warm the windows were open, so we could hear the distant strains of bagpipes from the Royal Mile.

I’d arrived straight off a plane from London, and when I got into the room I thought “damn, of course,” because most of the women there were wearing the suffragette colours: green, purple and white, and I was head to toe in black jumper and trousers, like a mime, which was ironic given what we were there to celebrate.

This was a belated, post-publication party for The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht, the book of essays to which I contributed, and which came out last month. “Wheesht” is a Scots injunction to be quiet: “haud your wheesht” means “hush!”

The book has contributions from 30 or so problematic Scottish females who didn’t agree with the former first minister Nicola Sturgeon’s vision of a country where a man could become a woman simply by declaring himself one.

Among the writers were politicians, journalists, activists and policy analysts. However, many contributors have no public profile. Some had written their essays anonymously.

I can’t use the word “ordinary” for the latter women, because they’re about as far from “ordinary” as you can get. These are the women who risked (and in some cases, lost) their livelihoods by standing up against an ideology embraced by Scottish politicians, state institutions and by the police.

These supposedly ordinary women fought because they could see no alternative but to fight: for other vulnerable women and girls, for single-sex spaces, for the right to speak about our own bodies as we please, and to retain the ability to call a man as a man, without which no analysis or activism around sex-based issues and inequalities is possible.

There were speeches, a lot of cake and laughter, hugs for those who’d never met in person, and a feeling of delight and celebration that the book had been such an unexpected success (it caught the publisher off guard, as he admitted at the party; there have been several reprints already).

The women there were so funny, so brave, so determined; I don’t think I’ve ever felt as much solidarity in a room, a solidarity that stretched across party divides. I still felt elated and inspired when I got home.

On entering my sitting room, I found my husband watching the leaders’ debate on TV and I reached the sofa just in time to hear from another woman who didn’t fancy hauding her wheesht.

“Three years ago,” the woman in the studio audience said to Keir Starmer, “you criticised your MP Rosie Duffield for saying ‘only women have a cervix’. You recently backtracked on this. What do you believe now, and how do we know that you will stick to your views?” Ah, Cervixgate. I remember it well. It was September 2021 and I was sitting at my kitchen table reading over the chapter I’d finished the day before. The TV was on in the background, my husband was making toast, and I thought I must have misheard what the Labour leader had just said, so I reached for the remote. I rewound the programme and replayed his answer, then rewound and replayed it again.

I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, you see. I’ve been a Labour voter, a member (no longer), donor (not recently) and campaigner (ditto) all my adult life. I want to see an end to this long stretch of chaotic and often calamitous Tory rule. I want to want to vote Labour. But I hadn’t heard Starmer wrongly. When asked whether he agreed with Rosie Duffield that “only women have a cervix”, he’d responded, “well, it is something that shouldn’t be said. It is not right.”

If you’d catapulted me forwards in time from 1997, the year Labour last succeeded in ending a long stretch of Tory rule, and told me their male leader would appear live on television, dictating what women were allowed to say about their own reproductive systems, I’d have had no frame of reference by which to understand what would have seemed an utterance of outright lunacy.

Unfortunately, by 2021, Starmer’s answer had to be seen in the context of a Labour Party that not merely saw the rights of women as disposable, but struggled to say what a woman was at all.

Take Anneliese Dodds, the shadow secretary for women and equalities, who, when asked what a woman is, said, it “depends on what the context is”. Take Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary: “I’m not going to get into rabbit holes on this”; Stella Creasy, Labour candidate for Walthamstow: “Do I think some women were born with penises? Yes … But they are now women and I respect that”; Emily Thornberry, the shadow attorney-general: “Women who are trans deserve to be recognised, and yes — therefore some of them will have penises. Frankly, I’m not looking up their skirts, I don’t care.” Dawn Butler, the former MP for Brent Central, actually announced on TV that “a child is born without sex at the beginning” (I choose to believe she meant the lesser of two insanities here: a sex, not that children really are delivered by stork.)

Some of this is almost funny, but loses its humour when real-world consequences of gender ideology arise. When asked whether violent sex offenders who transition should be rehoused in women’s prisons, Lisa Nandy, the shadow secretary for international development, said: “I think trans women are women, I think trans men are men, so I think they should be in the prison of their choosing.”

Rebecca Long-Bailey, the candidate for Salford, said female victims of male violence shouldn’t use their trauma “as an argument to discriminate against trans people” and vowed to change laws to stop women’s refuges excluding men who identify as women.

David Lammy, the shadow foreign secretary, called women like me “dinosaurs hoarding rights”. Lammy, too, has form on the vexed question of cervixes: “A cervix, I understand, is something you can have following various procedures and hormone treatments.” It’s very hard not to suspect that some of these men don’t know what a cervix is, but consider it too unimportant to Google.

So, there I was, on the edge of my sofa seat on Thursday night, waiting to hear Starmer clarify his views on an issue that places many left-leaning women on the spectrum between anger and disgust at his party’s embrace of gender identity ideology. Did he still maintain that women and cervixes ought not to be mentioned together?

“On the biology,” Starmer began, “I agree with what Tony Blair said the other day, in relation to men having penises and women having vaginas.”

“So you’ve changed your position?” asked the moderator. “On the biology,” emphasised Starmer, leaving the impression that until Tony Blair sat him down for a chat, he’d never understood how he and his wife had come to produce children.

“That doesn’t help on the gender… some people don’t identify with the gender they’re born into …”

And off we meandered into the familiar trans activist talking points where so many Labour frontbenchers appear to feel most comfortable: “… my view in life is to give respect and dignity to everyone, whatever their position. And I was worried at the time, you referenced that particular debate [when Rosie Duffield stated biological facts], by the way in which the debate was being conducted, because it got very toxic, very divided, very hard line …”

In the interests of full transparency, I should say that Rosie Duffield’s a friend of mine. We’d probably have been friends no matter where or how we’d met, but we found each other as part of a group of women fighting to retain women’s rights.

She and I share more than the occasional meal and a fairly sweary WhatsApp thread. Last month, a man received a suspended prison sentence for sending both of us death threats. Rosie was to be taken out with a gun; I was to be beaten to death with a hammer. The level of threats Rosie has received is such that she’s had to hire personal security and was recently advised not to conduct in-person hustings.

Is this what Starmer meant, when he talked about toxic, divided debate? A female MP in his own party being intimidated and harassed? Or was he referencing the activists in black masks who turn up at women’s demonstrations with the declared intention of punching “Terfs”, an intention that has more than once translated into action? Was he perhaps thinking of the trans activists who sang “f*** you” over a microphone as women from all over the world queued outside FiLia, the feminist conference, to discuss issues like female genital mutilation? It didn’t seem so.

The impression given by Starmer at Thursday’s debate was that there had been something unkind, something toxic, something hard line in Rosie’s words, even though almost identical words had sounded perfectly reasonable when spoken by Blair.

It seems Rosie has received literally no support from Starmer over the threats and abuse, some of which has originated from within the Labour Party itself, and has had a severe, measurable impact on her life.

But she fights on, like all the women at the book launch, because she feels she has no choice. Like me, she believes the stakes are too high to walk away.

For left-leaning women like us, this isn’t, and never has been, about trans people enjoying the rights of every other citizen, and being free to present and identify however they wish.

This is about the right of women and girls to assert their boundaries. It’s about freedom of speech and observable truth. It’s about waiting, with dwindling hope, for the left to wake up to the fact that its lazy embrace of a quasi-religious ideology is having calamitous consequences.

Two hours before I watched Starmer fail, yet again, to get off the fence he’s so reluctant to stop straddling, I met the woman who wrote what I think all contributors would agree is the most important chapter in The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht. It’s called A Hashtag is Born. The writer coined the phrase “women won’t wheesht”, which has now been taken up as a feminist battle cry in Scotland and beyond.

She wrote anonymously about being smeared as a bigot and a transphobe for wanting female-only intimate care for her beautiful learning-disabled daughter (I know her daughter’s beautiful, because I met her, too). In part, this mother wrote: “The material reality of a man is not changed by how he perceives himself, and telling vulnerable women and girls to ignore their own discomfort to accommodate a man’s perception of himself, is gaslighting.”

I cannot vote for any politician who takes issue with that mother’s words.

If you choose to prevaricate and patronise rather than address her concerns, if you continue to insist that the most vulnerable must embrace your luxury beliefs, no matter the cost to themselves, I don’t trust your judgment and I have a poor opinion of your character.

An independent candidate is standing in my constituency who’s campaigning to clarify the Equality Act.

Perhaps that’s where my X will have to go on July 4. As long as Labour remains dismissive and often offensive towards women fighting to retain the rights their foremothers thought were won for all time, I’ll struggle to support them. The women who wouldn’t wheesht didn’t leave Labour. Labour abandoned them.

Source: https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politic...like-me-ill-struggle-to-vote-for-it-rrgbcrkd6
The copy of "The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht" which I ordered via my local library has arrived and the first to read it! Told by the librarian it's a 14 day loan only, hopefully because it's going to be very much in demand!

(I could have bought the book but I requested the library purchase so it's readily available to more people! Goodness knows we need some balance on those library shelves, there's already too much gender nonsense!)
 
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View attachment 3009170 Of course now he has the fashion accessory du jour (transed kid) he’s such a great ally 🤢 Apparently it’s moths on his suit, how very Silence Of The Lambs.
I don't know what it is about David Tennant but he's always given me the creeps. Only two shows I've seen him in where I thought he played the part well were when he was playing creepy blokes, one being the serial killer Dennis Neilson.
 
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I don't know what it is about David Tennant but he's always given me the creeps. Only two shows I've seen him in where I thought he played the part well were when he was playing creepy blokes, one being the serial killer Dennis Neilson.
I thought the same about his portrayal of Nilsen.

I'm wondering if he's just been type-cast?

Edited to add - he played a good part in "Secret Smile", too.
 
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I don't know what it is about David Tennant but he's always given me the creeps. Only two shows I've seen him in where I thought he played the part well were when he was playing creepy blokes, one being the serial killer Dennis Neilson.
I saw clips of that on Gogglebox and yes, he did play the part well. Now if he appears on my tv screen even for seconds I just think ugh. 😩
 
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Re voting - the fantastic Elaine Miller posted this article about spoiling your ballot ‘properly’ should you wish to do so. I honestly have no idea how effective it would be, but it’s an interesting read.

I’m in a similar position to a lot of you. Was going to vote SDP but they pulled all their candidates from Wales where I live, to make way for Reform. That left me with Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, Green, Reform, Plaid and and Independent…

It’s either spoil or vote Indy for me.
 
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Rishi Sunak has pledged to rewrite the Equality Act as part of the Conservative Party manifesto, to make it clear that sex refers to “biological sex”, and to protect female-only spaces, including hospital wards, lavatories, prisons, and sessions for domestic abuse victims.

The only way to ensure this is done is to vote Conservative, regardless of your feelings for them as a political party. A protest vote will not help women.
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Article on the NHS nurses who had to share a changing room with a bloke

 
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I'm attending my local hustings next week and have submitted a question about gender identity and women's spaces. I very much doubt it will be asked but I'm despairing at the lack of dialogue about it in the televised debates.
 
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Rishi Sunak has pledged to rewrite the Equality Act as part of the Conservative Party manifesto, to make it clear that sex refers to “biological sex”, and to protect female-only spaces, including hospital wards, lavatories, prisons, and sessions for domestic abuse victims.

The only way to ensure this is done is to vote Conservative, regardless of your feelings for them as a political party. A protest vote will not help women.
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Article on the NHS nurses who had to share a changing room with a bloke

Agreed. In this instance , it's too important this time around. If you vote labour or spoil your paper you are enabling it. In 2029 Women's rights will be GONE under labour.
Make no mistake.
Look at what's been happening , and it'll be ramped up at the expense of everything else. Women.
I know there are keen, strong labour or libs voters, of course - I have voted for labour and lib dems in the past .
I just think we must pull together on this, just this time around. It's far too important.
The next election, hopefully this bleeping bullshit will have been tempered or collared , and the Conservatives will have enshrined Womens spaces and Sex Equality Act etc. - and everyone can vote how they want for the next time.

I - honestly- think that otherwise , we might not be able to vote in 5 years time. Women will have surrendered all rights in legislation for Womens spaces/ access to Women medical teams. Toilets. Everything.
That sound stupid and dramatic?
Labour will have Women registering their voting views before 2029s election. You may not get the chance to vote.
I'd lay my house deeds on it.

Rape Crisis Centre - and they've already been trying it on- a Woman attacked , then has to sit there - BY LAW ANd LEGISLATION proposed by labour ( and libdems snp, etc) - and tell a Man in a frock what happened. So he can enjoy her discomfort....
Health care needs in care homes.
14 Yr old girls on their natural biological needs in a toilet with a Man playing with his cock in the next cubicle, or talking to her at the washbasin, enjoying it........


For God's sake.
Wake up darlings- wake up.


The Conservatives are the only ones who will protect Biological Sex. Women's Spaces and rights and access to Women medical staff.



Think about it.

Now imagine how you and your daughters will be living in Great Britain in 2029. It'll come round bloody soon enough, after this one....

I will always support Women's Rights and Legislation , and fire off on here often enough. I've lost a couple of friends over it. I'll live.......

For God's sake, wake up.
 
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I've just checked all the local candidates:
Labour
Conservative
Reform
Green
Liberal Democrats

That's it! No independents, so they're either captured or 🤢
Same in our constituency, no independents this time compared to the local elections in May.
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Have a hospital appointment tomorrow, mustn't forget to take a book to read...😉
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You should share that on the GE thread. They are mad for labour on there.
The Politics threads on every forum I've ever been on have always been heavily left leaning, that's why Corbyn and Labour thought they were going to win last time.
I think it was on the GE thread on here a couple of days ago that someone was belittling the Reform voters, saying they were being brainwashed because of the algorithms. I guess leftist algorithms are more balanced:D
 
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