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It's not quite like that - as Hannah Barnes explains in A Time to Think, what's been happening for families using NHS services in England, if the child is seen as having gender issues, the treatment path is referral to the specialist gender service (that was the Tavistock) with very long waiting lists, even if there are other known issues (like autism) the gender identity issues trump them. There was a high possibility that eventually the child would be referred for puberty blockers - but it wouldn't happen quickly, as the numbers of referrals were growing so quickly. This is where services like Gender GP would come in to sell puberty blockers to families frustrated by the long delays - but they're operating outside the NHS.
Yes, the waiting lists are very, very long. I used to work in a job adjacent to dealing with complaints about the NHS, some about delays in referrals to gender services, and the outcome of complaints was generally, "it's not great but the NHS can't refer you to specialists that don't exist".

TRAs will have you believe it's transphobia or under-funding, but you can't magic specialist doctors who want to do this sort of work out of thin air. There just aren't that many of them. It's a niche area, as it should be, and the fact services are cluttered up with confused teenagers who have had their social contagion mindlessly affirmed by useful idiots isn't the fault of the NHS.

The fact that any autistic children (or those with other co-morbidities with gender/identity questioning) have been funnelled away from proper diagnosed and treatment and into services that affirm the idea they're the opposite sex should be a medical scandal.
 
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Just be aware that some autistic kids need screens to regulate. I know you're not talking about kids with medical needs, but sometimes when you judge out in public, it's really hard to tell and for parents of ASD kids, it really is hard enough without judgy comments.


For the uninitiated, some kids on the spectrum need a screen while out to regulate their mood - it saves them distress. You can't force them to engage or teach them otherwise because that's quite cruel and insensitive. Behaviour modification (ABA) is not okay for people with autism.
serious question - there’s increasing research that iPads may not be as beneficial for regulating autistic children as previously thought due to the addictive nature of screen activities.

iPads have only really become mainstream and affordable in the past 10-12 years.

what did autistic people use before then? By saying “autistic people need screens” we’re pushing a very recent narrative and with increasing societal addiction to devices im just becoming skeptical of anything pushing the benefits of “big tech”

yes i realise im writing this on a smart phone.

Not trying to troll or flame I’m just concerned about how much time children spend on them, the content they’re exposed to, the dopamine addiction of games, likes, clicks and the possible conflation of “self soothing” with addiction-pacification
 
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serious question - there’s increasing research that iPads may not be as beneficial for regulating autistic children as previously thought due to the addictive nature of screen activities.

iPads have only really become mainstream and affordable in the past 10-12 years.

what did autistic people use before then? By saying “autistic people need screens” we’re pushing a very recent narrative and with increasing societal addiction to devices im just becoming skeptical of anything pushing the benefits of “big tech”

yes i realise im writing this on a smart phone.

Not trying to troll or flame I’m just concerned about how much time children spend on them, the content they’re exposed to, the dopamine addiction of games, likes, clicks and the possible conflation of “self soothing” with addiction-pacification
For some, they have the opposite effect. It really is a case of you know your own kids best with this (and depends on the way the individual experiences their autistic traits).

Anything could be a distraction, but screens are really effective for multi-sensory reasons. For example, if you give a child with autism a chewy necklace or a squishy toy, you are satisfying one sensory need. Depending on stress levels, they may need more than that, so a screen would keep them calmer by satisfying multiple sensory needs at a time.

Regardless of research, if an ASD family has found a solution that works for them, I just think it's bad form to judge. ABA is definitely not the way.

And trans identities could down to needs not being met (I say could be, but in my opinion it is this 100%).

And you missed the "some" from the quote - I said "some autistic kids need screens" because if you have any experience with autism, you'll know that it isn't one size fits all.
 
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The audio book is on Spotify :)

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I've got it on Kindle, I just need to start reading it, I've been trying to finish another book this week but have been slow with it. I'm glad to see that it has been spotted in Waterstones and on Spotify - I was worried it might have been no-platformed. There doesn't seem to be as much backlash about it compared to Joyce's Trans book - possibly because the title is less obvious what it is about to the casual passer by? Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading it.
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Who the duck does Michael Cashman think he is? He’s been @Ing companies on X demanding to know why they’re not flying the pride flag. If they haven’t responded, he’s then hassled them, to the extent that one company has capitulated and another has deleted its X account. What an absolute authoritarian wanker he is :mad:.

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This is tantamount to going round demanding payment or else feel the force of his fist in your face, it's giving me 1970s police drama where the local loan shark goes around with cronies punching people into submission. Unacceptable.
 
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The Autism Show is an annual event that has been running for a number of years aimed at those with autism and parents/experts/stakeholders which used to be a good place to go for resources and information.

I’ve increasingly noticed the infiltration of trans ideology into this sector, where trans is embraced by professional bodies supporting those with autism and they have an attitude of ‘many people on the spectrum are also trans’ instead of questioning why a lot of autistic teens feel the need to try and opt out of their sex.

Last year (which I posted about on here), one of the professional speakers was a (non-autistic) trans identified male who was strutting around with his hair in pink bows carrying a teddy bear wearing AGP garb. I vowed to never attend again, however I still get sent promo materials and received details of this year’s event recently. One of the main speakers is voice coach and evangelical Carrie Grant whose three daughters are all trans identified (at least one has had surgery). Another one is this person
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who when I googled is a TIF psychologist and governor at the Tavistock.

I find the capture of autism organisations very sinister.
 
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Master McCloud, the soon to be retired judge (possibly already retired but dunno cause don’t care enough to check) has gone completely off piste and now identifies himself as a pink kitten 😳


I don’t think this will have nearly the impact he thinks it will. First up, for animal people, “rainbow animals” are your beloved pets who are dead, and have sadly crossed the rainbow bridge. I think he wants to summon up a winsome cuteness, but that’s a swing and a miss to most animal lovers. Secondly, when he’s talking about pink kittens and making the link to gender confused children, most sane people will then ask “well, who dyed that kitten pink?”, which is a very pertinent question to ask about the genesis and treatment of purported trans children, but I really don’t think it’s a question he’d want people chewing over for too long. I’m sure the kitten dying brigade will lap it up, though! For some reason he seems to be seen as some sort of credible voice, pink kittens and all 🤣
 
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The Autism Show is an annual event that has been running for a number of years aimed at those with autism and parents/experts/stakeholders which used to be a good place to go for resources and information.

I’ve increasingly noticed the infiltration of trans ideology into this sector, where trans is embraced by professional bodies supporting those with autism and they have an attitude of ‘many people on the spectrum are also trans’ instead of questioning why a lot of autistic teens feel the need to try and opt out of their sex.

Last year (which I posted about on here), one of the professional speakers was a (non-autistic) trans identified male who was strutting around with his hair in pink bows carrying a teddy bear wearing AGP garb. I vowed to never attend again, however I still get sent promo materials and received details of this year’s event recently. One of the main speakers is voice coach and evangelical Carrie Grant whose three daughters are all trans identified (at least one has had surgery). Another one is this person
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who when I googled is a TIF psychologist and governor at the Tavistock.

I find the capture of autism organisations very sinister.
It's ridiculous.

If kids with autism are made to feel they don't belong, or are forced to conform to rules they don't understand or deem relevant, it's no wonder they turn to ideologies like trans.

Everything - school, clubs, even restaurants, are not set up with autism in mind. So people with autism always have a sense of not fitting in, and always being on the periphery. They are othered all the time.

If anyone works in education, remember PREVENT training? This was what to look out for with teens being radicalised by extremist religious groups.
Basically, kids who feel othered, shut out of social groups, spend time alone, get bullied - all more likely to be tempted into joining these groups who essentially love bomb them.

We should be applying the same terms to trans ideologies, especially when it comes to (some) kids with autism who just want to belong after a life of feeling isolated.
 
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😂😂



If you view the quote tweets, all the comments roasting them are there. I don't think the comments were ever on, they know themselves they're spouting bullshit.

Comments still open under this tweet, should anybody wish to contribute to the discussion 😉
 
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For some, they have the opposite effect. It really is a case of you know your own kids best with this (and depends on the way the individual experiences their autistic traits).

Anything could be a distraction, but screens are really effective for multi-sensory reasons. For example, if you give a child with autism a chewy necklace or a squishy toy, you are satisfying one sensory need. Depending on stress levels, they may need more than that, so a screen would keep them calmer by satisfying multiple sensory needs at a time.

Regardless of research, if an ASD family has found a solution that works for them, I just think it's bad form to judge. ABA is definitely not the way.

And trans identities could down to needs not being met (I say could be, but in my opinion it is this 100%).

And you missed the "some" from the quote - I said "some autistic kids need screens" because if you have any experience with autism, you'll know that it isn't one size fits all.
My concern is also related to the autism to trans pipeline which is influenced by social media. It’s a very complex issue and I guess I think autistic child> iPad > self soothing> vulnerable to trans ideology on social media’s> consumes a lot of content > decided is trans > continues consuming trans content on iPad> indoctrination
 
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@threeSMEGfridges - giving my autistic kid a screen was the only way I could get him to stay in one place so I could have something to eat or talk to other adults. Without a screen, he’d leave or trash the place. And if he was prevented from doing that, he’d have a meltdown.

It was exhausting and not sustainable for my mental health. And often not very safe for him either.
 
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Following on from the Lia Thomas judgement.


Open category. All welcome. NO-ONE entered. Trans men don’t “just want to compete”. They want to compete against, and dominate, women.
 
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My concern is also related to the autism to trans pipeline which is influenced by social media. It’s a very complex issue and I guess I think autistic child> iPad > self soothing> vulnerable to trans ideology on social media’s> consumes a lot of content > decided is trans > continues consuming trans content on iPad> indoctrination
I agree completely with this - keep them away from social media. A big part of the problem with screens, is when the adults with the kids are too busy on their screens to monitor what their kids are looking at and doing.
 
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