Gender Discussion #56

[VC10]

Thanks for saying that .

Interesting question. For myself, personally, I think I'd be ok with a professional carer irrespective of gender. Providing they had the right qualifications and recommendations - it would require thorough research to hire the right carer/find the right care home for myself or a family member.

I will say that, as a woman, I do have a slight preference for, say, a female doctor, particularly if the appointment is regarding intimate care.

For a family member, it would depend hugely on their own belief system to ensure their comfort. My mum, for example, I guess I would call GC so I would know and accept that she may not be comfortable with a trans woman administering care.

You may not have the choice.

 

[Elle]

OK, playing devil's advocate. If the trans woman was 6 foot tall, 18 stone, with stubble and dressed as a woman but clearly male, you'd be content to let them do a smear test (for example)?

While I appreciate what you're saying I consider these types of hypotheticals quite unrealistic. Maybe I'm being naive. I've had a smear done by a male doctor before and, while I had a female chaperone present, I wasn't uncomfortable (beyond the smear itself not being the funnest thing ever).

 

[Mugglewump]

So sad why are there MULTIPLE trans women?

Ugh, I hate Scotland rn.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

While I appreciate what you're saying I consider these types of hypotheticals quite unrealistic. Maybe I'm being naive. I've had a smear done by a male doctor before and, while I had a female chaperone present, I wasn't uncomfortable (beyond the smear itself not being the funnest thing ever).

But you said earlier you prefer a female doctor and now you're fine with a man with a female chaperone? I don't think my hypothesis is unrealistic - trans women are men who identify as women so they can sometimes look and sound male despite insisting they are female.

 

[Nelly's mum]

For me, personally, that would include trans women.

Can I ask if your sister/neice needed to access a rape crisis centre or a Women's refugee, do you think it appropriate for 'trans women' (intact or not) to use these services?
What about prison - do you think it is appropriate for 'trans women' to be in detained in Women's prisons?

As an aside, what do you think about children accessing gender affirming care - do you think it is appropriate for children to receive hormone therapies? What about surgery eg double mastectomy? What age do you feel is appropriate to make these decisions?

 

[Tea_and_Biscuits]

Trans is the latest monetary funding from the rich anarchists.
Other things haven't worked & they hadn't got their own way - so lately it's the transed World. The anarchists are those who are snide , moneyed and who hate everything Society stands for. ANYTHING to create dissent and trouble.

You might be onto something there. I had to do some radicalisation prevention training this week and I was struck by how the tactics for recruiting people for terrorism purposes (identifying vulnerable or isolated individuals, building trust and sense of a 'community' and cutting them off from any opposing opinions etc) are the same ones used for spreading gender ideology.

 

[Ekathrina]

Male sex offenders of all types are perfectly capable of playing the long game to gain access to their preferred type of victims, including gaining medical or other qualifications. This propensity doesn’t go away just because they’ve ’changed gender’. As far as convicted criminals go statistically TIMs are more likely to be sex offenders than the male prison population as a whole.

 

[Mugglewump]

You may not have the choice.

Transwomen are women but I have a preference for female care.
Make it make sense.
You're just a common or garden TERF, like the rest of us, but pretend to be better than us.
It's laughable.
Sorry, meant to quote Elle there.

 

[Elle]

But you said earlier you prefer a female doctor and now you're fine with a man with a female chaperone? I don't think my hypothesis is unrealistic - trans women are men who identify as women so they can sometimes look and sound male despite insisting they are female.

Yeah I have a slight preference but not to the extent that I'd flat out refuse to be seen by a male doctor.

It would be interesting to count how many doctors that are "6 foot tall, 18 stone, with stubble and dressed as a woman but clearly male" there actually are.

Why is every trans woman: mentally ill, a fetishist, a predator, desperate to gain access to women's spaces to the extent that they are prepared to pretend to be a woman? There are trans women out there who are so afraid of who they are and how this will be received that they can't ever be their true authentic selves.

 

[VC10]

Transwomen are women but I have a preference for female care.
Make it make sense.
You're just a common or garden TERF, like the rest of us, but pretend to be better than us.
It's laughable.

I agree.
The problems are manifold; what happens if you are suffering a degenerative disease? I am. Eventually I'll be in a specialist place in total care of staff. I will be toileting in nappies and perhaps being hoisted on and off the bed.
Will I have no choice as to which staff will be looking after me? I may not be able to communicate by them either but still be ' locked in'.
There's 8 others in the home I looked around. All like how I will become.
They don't have a choice if a transed man is changing them. What if he insists to dealing with me ( or other patients).
I won't get a choice.
I won't be able to speak for myself.


But she's happy with that?
Im bleeping well not. I'll pop off on an overdose before I get to that stage, I've already told my family and friends.

This all makes me so bleeping angry.
I know there are genuine transed people living their lives ( often in a difficult World). All the best to them.

Cunts are cunts, and I'll call them out as such. And plenty of them are - Women haters , violent , nasty individuals who seem to be bent over backwards for.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

'Laura'

 

[Elle]

It is really isolating being here and being an 'outsider'.

Support fellow women...unless she believes in trans rights - then she can duck right off.

I appreciate genuine questions and discussion but for every question I answer there are 20 more and it feels, at times, like a pile on (not everyone).

There is interesting discussion but then there are also certain people misconstruing what I'm saying .

It's exhausting to have to continue to justify my beliefs and feel like people are trying to trip me up. No, I'm not scared of my belief system being shaken but you have to understand that it feels like 20 GC women vs 1 non GC woman and not always in a friendly way.

Honestly, thank duck I'm not trans. I can't imagine what a trans person would feel like having to not only justify their beliefs but their whole existence!

 

[petitspois]

But if you tick the box to say you are comfortable with you or family member receiving intimate care from a TIM then you'd have to accept who turned up. It could be someone who appeared acceptable to you or it could be someone who looked like Captain Pugwash.

 

[Vanelope]

By definition all trans people are mentally ill. They believe their body is not correct, and that is a mental illness. We do not have gendered souls, this is a religious belief. They don’t feel like their authentic selves because their mental illness thinks they should be something else.

‘authentic self’ is a misnomer anyway, what is authentic about taking artificial hormones made from yams, wearing wigs and castrating oneself?

I’m so sorry we are not an echo chamber for you like the rest of the internet. It is exhausting to have to justify yourself in the face of screaming TRAs yelling trans women are women. Also threatening and dangerous for the let women speak events in real life.

 

[holly1727373!3]

There are trans women out there who are so afraid of who they are and how this will be received that they can't ever be their true authentic selves.

Their authentic (definition: worthy of belief based on fact) self is a man, that’s why they were born male. Fact. And will always be male. Fact. They are not and will never be women, no matter how little or much makeup/surgery/hormones they take. Feelings are not facts.

There’s nothing wrong with a man in women’s clothes and makeup but there’s everything wrong with a man deciding to live life as a women and invade women’s private spaces.

 

[peachplumpear]

Yeah I have a slight preference but not to the extent that I'd flat out refuse to be seen by a male doctor.

It would be interesting to count how many doctors that are "6 foot tall, 18 stone, with stubble and dressed as a woman but clearly male" there actually are.

Why is every trans woman: mentally ill, a fetishist, a predator, desperate to gain access to women's spaces to the extent that they are prepared to pretend to be a woman? There are trans women out there who are so afraid of who they are and how this will be received that they can't ever be their true authentic selves.

But their true authentic selves are male selves - effeminate males, unhappy males, males who wish they were female - but still male. I wish my true authentic self was a billionaire, but no matter how hard I wish I'm not getting a Coutts bank account.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

It is really isolating being here and being an 'outsider'.

Support fellow women...unless she believes in trans rights - then she can duck right off.

I appreciate genuine questions and discussion but for every question I answer there are 20 more and it feels, at times, like a pile on (not everyone).

There is interesting discussion but then there are also certain people misconstruing what I'm saying .

It's exhausting to have to continue to justify my beliefs and feel like people are trying to trip me up. No, I'm not scared of my belief system being shaken but you have to understand that it feels like 20 GC women vs 1 non GC woman and not always in a friendly way.

Honestly, thank duck I'm not trans. I can't imagine what a trans person would feel like having to not only justify their beliefs but their whole existence!

Try being a woman in today's modern age. Sorry, a bleeder, a person with a cervix.

You poo pooed my suggestion of a male looking trans woman doctor but do you not understand that self ID means that any man can wake up and decide he's a woman and impinge on women's spaces. The trans rights movement has become a man's rights movement. Honestly, the number of people with gender dysphoria is microscopic (and yes they deserve sympathy and treatment) compared to the clown world this has become.

You clearly don't really truly believe trans women are women because you prefer female doctors for intimate care. This cannot include trans women because trans women are actually men. That might make me a bigot but tbh I have zero fucks left to give.

I hope you wake up soon and thanks for joining in.

 

[Miggsy]

Yeah I have a slight preference but not to the extent that I'd flat out refuse to be seen by a male doctor.

It would be interesting to count how many doctors that are "6 foot tall, 18 stone, with stubble and dressed as a woman but clearly male" there actually are.

Why is every trans woman: mentally ill, a fetishist, a predator, desperate to gain access to women's spaces to the extent that they are prepared to pretend to be a woman? There are trans women out there who are so afraid of who they are and how this will be received that they can't ever be their true authentic selves.

No one thinks all men who say they are women are predators or fetishists. But how do you tell who are the predators and fetishists and who is genuinely trans from these people? Thats the issue

 

[DoraMaar]

It's politics, money, fetishism, mental illness, (mostly white) male privilege - all coming together in a perfect storm. Jennifer Bilek writes extensively on the funding, people and drivers behind the ideology.

https://www.the11thhourblog.com/

I'm quoting myself to add more context.

The Pritzker family are mentioned frequently by JB. They own the Hyatt hotel group, support the Democratic party (one is governor of Illinois), one is mentioned in the Epstein papers, another was instrumental the appointment of the plagarist Harvard president, the family funds the Arcus foundation which supports trans groups (TENI in Ireland for example) - deep and wide influence by one family.

JB Pritzker, Jennifer Pritzker, & Synthetic Sex Identities

JB Pritzker and Jennifer Pritzker are advocates for expanding public consciousness of Synthetic Sex Identities and the gender spectrum.

www.tabletmag.com

 

[Weebles Wobble]

This is the real issue behind the trans debate. Unfortunately trans women seem to be so self absorbed that they fail to have any empathy for reality that biological women face.

A few random posts from Reddit to support the view that trans women are self absorbed and have little empathy or even understanding of what it's like to be a biological woman, regarding women's bathrooms.

No reason given for this opinion.

This is a reply to a post about a biological woman feeling uncomfortable about men being in the women's.
Such a narcissistic viewpoint!

Regardless of gender or sex we all have the same bodily functions.

No thought or consideration about dealing with periods (and all that it entails) or pregnancy. A complete lack of empathy about what biological women may be dealing with and why we should be entitled to some privacy and dignity - and that includes being able to access a space reserved only for biological women.

And of course we all take selfies in the Ladies', don't we?

This man's wife was told that security had been called because he was acting inappropriately.
"Why can't people just mind their own business. My decent day has now went downhill and I thought I was passing rather well today".

On the topic of passing...

I don’t think any trans people pass, not after 5 minutes acquaintance or less. Voice, build, we have an innate recognition of biological sex and we overrule it but we will suspect. What I think is that people are generally polite and kind and make allowances (where they shouldn’t). Trans men are also not a physical threat to men (although men should be able to have single sex spaces too) so people don’t feel the need to make a fuss.

Spoiler: I personally don't get misgendered often