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Just listen to trans people!!!11 etc and then when people actually do, the listeners take a step back… Most people have a vague idea of what “trans” is but are often sort of kind of “live and let live” and “is it a gay kind of thing, none of my business…”
Then when confronted with the reality of the homophobia, sexism, what happens to gender non-conforming kids, the demands to assert non-reality and the frequent complete absence of logic of it all, it’s a bit of an eye-opener. It doesn’t make any sense at all, it only makes sense at the level of individual identity, and none of the rest of us should have to affirm this at all.
A brightly coloured walking stick !Why is it there is a ‘non binary look’ though? Is it because it’s simply a fashion trend? (Make yourself look as rank as you can). We can all spot them a mile off.
Hair must be:
Short
Mullet
‘Wacky’ coloured - pink, blue, green…
Face:
Massive Deidre Barlow glasses preferably with a clear or light coloured frame,
Absolutely no make up but if you do wear it it has to be really extra andout there
Look like your face could do with a good wash
Clothes:
Giant toddler zibezz
Baggy button up shirts preferably 50’s style
Baggy trousers
Knitted tank tops over shirts
Attitude:
Notice meeeeeee!
Respect my pronouns!
I’m better than everyone!
I’m neither male nor female! (99% of them are female)
I’m the chosen one!
Pick meeeee!
That was fun
PS - I missed out multiple piercings and tattoos. Have I missed anything else?
The comments on BBC women’s hour are heartening, lots correcting the ‘be kind she’s a woman if she says she is’ crowd. Feel so angry I was duped by this story! We were fully fed the narrative Caster is a woman who just produces more testosterone - not bloody true! I cannot believe the levels of hand wringing society are going to to pretend Caster is a woman hard done by because they can’t compete with women.
I think the “be kind” crowd are a bit dim. It won’t be until they lose out to a man in a dress that they will realise it affects every one of us in some way.
Today's Irish Independent about Caster Semenya https://archive.ph/wnxoK
"At the moment, I don't see a lot of women voicing out if they have problems or something to say. Each and every woman out there should fight for their own. I'll always fight for what is right, I know what is right, I know how things are supposed to be done. Let's wake up as women and fight for what is right." FFS
"At the moment, I don't see a lot of women voicing out if they have problems or something to say. Each and every woman out there should fight for their own. I'll always fight for what is right, I know what is right, I know how things are supposed to be done. Let's wake up as women and fight for what is right." FFS
Not being a woman makes Semenya not a woman. There is no “more or less.” He isn’t a woman with high testosterone, he isn’t a woman with an intersex condition. He is, as has been proven, a man with an intersex condition.
Of course, now “women can have penises,” roll eyes… but at the same time we have often casually defined being a woman or female by “not having a pen” in some childish way (rather than having a uterus for example), and the Sports authorities are quite fixated on hormone levels. In fact, we should be defining female by biology. Caster does not have XX chromosomes, Caster is not female and not a woman. Caster knows this full well.
A lot of activism in this area relies on ignorance of the public, this is now changing. People hear “trans woman” and think it’s someone who has had SRS, when 90%+ of MtF do not have the surgery. That’s now intact males end up in women’s prisons. People hear of trans men who very very much are definitely men and always were men but they’re just going to have a baby which isn’t going to trigger them at all, and they do now wonder about what they’re being told about the trans story. It just doesn’t stack up.
People hear about Caster’s testosterone levels and think they’re like Michael Phelps’s big feet or that a woman with naturally high testosterone is being hounded. But Caster isn’t a woman. Caster has XY chromosomes and that should be the end of the matter, I don’t care how Caster was socialised.
We wouldn’t need to keep banging on about this if Caster would just accept reality and compete in his proper sex (but he wouldn’t get medals then). In the same way I wouldn’t get so bothered about anyone “living their truth” if it wasn’t demanded of me that i suscribe to their truth and inconvenience myself — that’s one thing, but putting women in danger or at a disadvantage for male feelings, many of which are fetish-based anyway, the answer is NO.
Of course, now “women can have penises,” roll eyes… but at the same time we have often casually defined being a woman or female by “not having a pen” in some childish way (rather than having a uterus for example), and the Sports authorities are quite fixated on hormone levels. In fact, we should be defining female by biology. Caster does not have XX chromosomes, Caster is not female and not a woman. Caster knows this full well.
A lot of activism in this area relies on ignorance of the public, this is now changing. People hear “trans woman” and think it’s someone who has had SRS, when 90%+ of MtF do not have the surgery. That’s now intact males end up in women’s prisons. People hear of trans men who very very much are definitely men and always were men but they’re just going to have a baby which isn’t going to trigger them at all, and they do now wonder about what they’re being told about the trans story. It just doesn’t stack up.
People hear about Caster’s testosterone levels and think they’re like Michael Phelps’s big feet or that a woman with naturally high testosterone is being hounded. But Caster isn’t a woman. Caster has XY chromosomes and that should be the end of the matter, I don’t care how Caster was socialised.
We wouldn’t need to keep banging on about this if Caster would just accept reality and compete in his proper sex (but he wouldn’t get medals then). In the same way I wouldn’t get so bothered about anyone “living their truth” if it wasn’t demanded of me that i suscribe to their truth and inconvenience myself — that’s one thing, but putting women in danger or at a disadvantage for male feelings, many of which are fetish-based anyway, the answer is NO.
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I admit to only just realising quite how male Caster is! Its a name and a story I first heard about years ago, and I believed the whole Caster and her family believed she was a girl and brought her up as a girl, so it was just accidental that after she started running and winning races, that it was discovered she was actually DSD.
It is tragic because someone, not Caster necessarily, has really exploited this situation. And left a horrible mess. Someone brainwashed Caster to tell them that they were a woman and it was perfectly fine for them to compete in womens races. Maybe they didnt actually explain the science and the testosterone stuff properly? Because I never connected the science at all! Maybe the doctors at Caster's birth were at fault for assigning her female at birth because of an absence or confusion of external genitalia?
Its relatively simple now to explain, that Caster's XY genes, give 'her' more testosterone than womens XX genes. So its totally unfair for an XY male to compete against an XX woman in women's events.
But now Caster is left in a very strange situation, she was told she was female, she had doctors and coaches telling her she was a woman, she believed she was female, so it must be very confusing.
But...this publicity cannot be doing them any good at all! It just crystallises the injustice, and the fact that she shouldnt have been allowed to compete in womens events in the past.
Or it's possible that they told Caster to pretend to go along with it for a few years or so, win some medals and enough money to get out of poverty. He was manipulated but also took full advantage of the situation.
If the regulators actually looked at the science and chucked all the men out of women's sports it would be a hell of a lot easier!
Yeah I used to feel very sorry for CS for the way this was all dealt with. Agents do take advantage of this condition and scout for those with it. But at some point, CS was made aware of this (long before it was acknowledged in my opinion) and continued to compete against women. I have no sympathy for cheats.
I hate the way this has all been portrayed in the media: Poor Castor she's (sic) just a woman with high testosterone. How awful to have your sex questioned just because you look slightly masculine <<insert implications of racism here because Castor doesn't fit western ideals of femininity>> Other competitors are just bitter because she has a natural advantage [well dur, of course she does, she's a bloke]
I hate the way this has all been portrayed in the media: Poor Castor she's (sic) just a woman with high testosterone. How awful to have your sex questioned just because you look slightly masculine <<insert implications of racism here because Castor doesn't fit western ideals of femininity>> Other competitors are just bitter because she has a natural advantage [well dur, of course she does, she's a bloke]
Exactly. I remember first watching him race. The camera panned along the competitors as it does and the difference was so stark it was like the emperor's new clothes. Caster looks as manly as Brian Blessed.Yeah I used to feel very sorry for CS for the way this was all dealt with. Agents do take advantage of this condition and scout for those with it. But at some point, CS was made aware of this (long before it was acknowledged in my opinion) and continued to compete against women. I have no sympathy for cheats.
I hate the way this has all been portrayed in the media: Poor Castor she's (sic) just a woman with high testosterone. How awful to have your sex questioned just because you look slightly masculine <<insert implications of racism here because Castor doesn't fit western ideals of femininity>> Other competitors are just bitter because she has a natural advantage [well dur, of course she does, she's a bloke]
Oh im sure that Caster was encouraged to go along with it, to win medals and to get out of poverty! But for many many years he/she was an anomaly. He was assigned female at birth...and maybe it was obvious he wasnt that female... but when did they do all the scientific tests that completely clarified his genetic make up and that his kind of DSD and high levels of testosterone was because of XY genes?
Which then also raise massive issues about personal privacy! Is someones genetic make up public or private information?
In this case there is an argument that because Caster was a world class athlete in womens events, his genetic make up is case of public interest- but is it really? When was it actually officially announced that Caster was XY, and therefore male genetically?
Its a minefield!!
Which then also raise massive issues about personal privacy! Is someones genetic make up public or private information?
In this case there is an argument that because Caster was a world class athlete in womens events, his genetic make up is case of public interest- but is it really? When was it actually officially announced that Caster was XY, and therefore male genetically?
Its a minefield!!
Caster just needs to accept he’s a freak of nature and get a new hobby/job. We can’t all be athletes
I'm by no means an expert on DSDs or Caster Semenya so I'm not gonna try to unpick it. But there are two things for me.
1. I question the medical care and attention given to Caster because they evidently should have been recorded as male with a DSD. Not recorded as female and then "socialised" as a woman. I also don't think it was right for Caster's medical issues to be dealt with in full public view and there is a lesson to be learned (if it hasn't been already) for future DSD cases in sport.
2. But as stated. Caster IS male. And when it comes to athletics and competing in female events, Caster should be excluded OR should be given the option to run in their sex class instead, which is male.
Sex classes exist in sports for a reason and it is not acceptable to say "but Caster says they're a woman, so they're a woman". By all means, live as a woman in your personal life, but sporting competitions must be regulated. Otherwise it leaves them completely open to abuse as we have seen.
1. I question the medical care and attention given to Caster because they evidently should have been recorded as male with a DSD. Not recorded as female and then "socialised" as a woman. I also don't think it was right for Caster's medical issues to be dealt with in full public view and there is a lesson to be learned (if it hasn't been already) for future DSD cases in sport.
2. But as stated. Caster IS male. And when it comes to athletics and competing in female events, Caster should be excluded OR should be given the option to run in their sex class instead, which is male.
Sex classes exist in sports for a reason and it is not acceptable to say "but Caster says they're a woman, so they're a woman". By all means, live as a woman in your personal life, but sporting competitions must be regulated. Otherwise it leaves them completely open to abuse as we have seen.
i think this is a good infographic. It misses off the Q angle though. Because of the shape of men’s pelvises, their femurs are straighter - our Q angle is 6-8° wider than men’s which means it’s harder for us to run as fast and we’re more prone to lower limb injuries.
Oh and also periods!
It’s not just about testosterone. Caster Semenya is a man with all the physical advantages men have over women. He should never have been allowed to compete against women.
Oh and also periods!
It’s not just about testosterone. Caster Semenya is a man with all the physical advantages men have over women. He should never have been allowed to compete against women.
Semenya was raised as male and his female birth cert wasn't issued until he was 16 - when it would have been clear that he was male. He was socialised as male - i.e. playing with boys, wanted to be a footballer.
You’re absolutely right. But the “lives as a woman” thing is vital for CS to keep the medals.
I very much doubt Caster lives as a woman in his personal life, indeed there is very little evidence that he does other than statements from friends and family that must fit the narrative to keep the medals.
Caster is the father (very possibly, the biological father, via artificial insemination — might have been a donor, but some men with CS’s condition can father kids with medical help) to two children with his wife and I suspect they operate as a heterosexual family and the children do not have two mothers (my kids do…)
I just googled CS and he was nothing special at sport until he hit puberty and the 'wonder drug' testosterone kicked in. He also went to University so clearly its not a clear case of a poor and poorly educated family being exploited by the sports agents.
I do agree he should have had more privacy but I care far more about all the women denied a place or a medal by these men.
Why is he doing the rounds anyway - does he have a book out?
I do agree he should have had more privacy but I care far more about all the women denied a place or a medal by these men.
Why is he doing the rounds anyway - does he have a book out?
It was never announced but was documented in the IAAF decision.
ETA I have sympathy for 19 year old Caster I absolutely do not have sympathy for him now. He and his support team are completely responsible for this story over the last decade. They're inability to accept they've been busted cheating is why Caster is still in the public eye and why we are debating what should be personal medical details.
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