Gender Discussion #47

[Em_gardener]

Yep and a lot of them are seeking legal action now. I think it’ll take one successful claim and things could change big time

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...surgery-woman-19-four-years-later-Im-man.html

There will be an avalanche of claims in years to come particularly if there's a successful claim and a big payout for somebody first.

The promotion of sex work to young people as a way to pay for surgery / treatments is alarming to me, here is everybody’s favourite The Mail reporting on a leaflet that was withdrawn

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...stitution-way-trans-people-pay-treatment.html

A clinic which receives NHS funding has been promoting prostitution as a way for transgender people to pay for their transition treatment, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

Being a sex worker ‘can be useful and sometimes empowering’, according to a guide produced by CliniQ, a sexual counselling service for transgender people at King’s College Hospital in London. It adds: ‘It can help us pay for parts of our transition.’

The booklet by CliniQ, which is part-funded by King’s College NHS Trust and three London local authorities, also suggests that transgender men – people born in female bodies but transitioning to male – can hide the fact that they are trans when visiting gay sex parties.

Despite being targeted at pre-operative trans men – many of whom are in their late teens and early 20s – the booklet makes only a fleeting reference to pregnancy.

LGB Alliance, an organisation that stands up for gay and women’s rights, last night demanded that NHS chief executive Amanda Pritchard and Health Secretary Sajid Javid order the booklet to be ‘immediately removed’. King’s College Hospital last night said it had been withdrawn.

In a letter to health chiefs, the alliance said: ‘We are writing to express our alarm that an NHS publication is encouraging the sexual assault of gay men through the criminal act of sex by deception and is promoting prostitution as a way to fund gender reassignment.

I do not understand how sex work has become so accepted all of a sudden. I don't think that people who engage in sex work should be prosecuted or anything but the majority are doing it out of desperation or could have been trafficked into it. I know there are a few people that choose it (I saw one being interviewed on TV once) and they want more acceptance of it as a profession but i don't think it should be put out there as a valid career option the same as any other. Most women involved are being exploited and now we're meant to see it as empowering.

 

[AbnormalFrog]

What's your thoughts on women becoming men? I have a colleague whose daughter was firstly les then wanted to be a man. This was since 14. She's 20 now and having top surgery, hormones etc. The talk on here seems to be about men becoming women. I feel like in my friends case, it's about some home life trauma she went through. She changed her mind so much throughout her teens I worry what will happen when she has full surgery if she changes her mind again. Thanks for having me, I'm new but love your posts here and I've learned a lot. I've just got my name badge pronouns removed. Lol.

I think there's a reason the majority of men becoming 'women' is middle aged blokes and I think theres a different reason why the majority of girls becoming 'boys' are teenage girls.
I think one reason is primarily rather perverse and the other a mixture of sad and pathetic.

The sheer amount of teenage girls declaring they're no longer girls is...ridiculously high. How anyone can deny the social contagion explanation anymore is beyond me. It's a fad. My generations fad was emo, this generations fad is changing your gender. But the worst thing I'm left with is small scars from old piercings, these young people are going to be left with surgery scars from unnecessary mastectomies, infertility and weak bones.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

Carol is a butch les who transitioned between 2014 - 2018 before detransitioning.
She's produced a lot of videos on the subject and also written this.

From the ashes: Butch lesbian & her family rebuild life after transition

Carol F. is a 39-year old woman (adult human female) from a conservative area in California. She was raised in a religious environment. From ages 35 to 38, she identified as a transgender male and …

4thwavenow.com

She regrets her double mastectomy, and is still living with the after effects of testosterone.

 

[blahblahboring]

The recent glorification of sex work bothers me. Please note: I am not condemning prostitutes themselves in any way. What bothers me is that it’s now seen as totally normal and acceptable, especially through things like Only Fans. But it is still the commodification of women’s bodies. I think it’s very dangerous. There are smarter, more eloquent people than me who explain it better, but I don’t think it’s healthy and I’m bothered that it is being more normalised for young women. Who benefits from it? Men.

 

[Metropolis]

The recent glorification of sex work bothers me. Please note: I am not condemning prostitutes themselves in any way. What bothers me is that it’s now seen as totally normal and acceptable, especially through things like Only Fans. But it is still the commodification of women’s bodies. I think it’s very dangerous. There are smarter, more eloquent people than me who explain it better, but I don’t think it’s healthy and I’m bothered that it is being more normalised for young women. Who benefits from it? Men.

I agree Only Fans has sanitised the reality of sex work for some people. A friend’s 19 year old daughter is on there and although she’s not happy about it, she just rolled her eyes and said, “what can I do about it?” and I suppose she has a point. The daughter sees it as an easy way to make a few bob, but in reality, she is a vulnerable (autistic) young person who, for whatever reason, can’t find another way to make a living.

 

[soph30]

And that was the defining image of Pride? Where are the lesbians

 

[Mousymouse]

What's your thoughts on women becoming men? I have a colleague whose daughter was firstly les then wanted to be a man. This was since 14. She's 20 now and having top surgery, hormones etc. The talk on here seems to be about men becoming women. I feel like in my friends case, it's about some home life trauma she went through. She changed her mind so much throughout her teens I worry what will happen when she has full surgery if she changes her mind again. Thanks for having me, I'm new but love your posts here and I've learned a lot. I've just got my name badge pronouns removed. Lol.

There are tons of detransitioners stories on YouTube, i posted a link to a YouTube doc a few pages back, also podcasts like calmversation and gender through a wider lens.

As for young boy transitioning there are interesting voices out there and there are studies that rogd is also prevalent in boys. I don’t know why we hear more about girls than boys but they are out there for sure.
Richie Heron and shapeshifter’s stories are hard to hear, though in all fairness any detrans stories are. Hormones are powerful drugs and their non reversible side effects are not really talked about in real life.

 

[nothanksbabes]

And that was the defining image of Pride? Where are the lesbians

This is an interesting image considering we're all expected to set aside objective reality to pander to the feelings of people who think they can change sex.

 

[SnoopySnooper86]

The young kids wanting to transition I feel in part is them wanting to change themselves in some way and finding the wrong answers and it certainly shouldn’t be catered to so flimsy as it is. The older men transitioning it is defo perverse and fetish tit.

Was it on here someone shared a screengrab of some creepy guy getting a boner over stealing a used sanitary towel and pissing on it…

 

[Mousymouse]

That is it though, this ideology is so many folds it’s really hard to pinpoint things and the damage being done. I feel you really need to read, hear and watch a lot of stuff to really get a grasp on the extent this thing is doing. It’s not just agp, it’s not just rogd, it’s not just the erasure of women and their rights and many more things, it’s an all encompassing ideology that has so many hooks and crannies that to even try and explain it in a few words is impossible.

 

[Regina Fellangi]

And that was the defining image of Pride? Where are the lesbians

The hypocrisy is mind blowing! Aren't they all about feelings themselves? After all it's more important not to hurt the feelings of a double rapist who says he's a woman than his victims, as evidenced in Scotland.

 

[Badirene]

The recent glorification of sex work bothers me. Please note: I am not condemning prostitutes themselves in any way. What bothers me is that it’s now seen as totally normal and acceptable, especially through things like Only Fans. But it is still the commodification of women’s bodies. I think it’s very dangerous. There are smarter, more eloquent people than me who explain it better, but I don’t think it’s healthy and I’m bothered that it is being more normalised for young women. Who benefits from it? Men.

Nobody would defend any other job where grape, physical assault, life ending infections or murder were an everyday occupational risk would they. People have campaigned to make working places safer, laws have been brought in to protect workforce, we have mandatory training for so many jobs (I have had ergonomic training in my work for sitting in a chair at a desk safely) yet all that goes out the window just so some (most likely) bloke can get his rocks off by using (most likely trafficked) woman or girls body.

 

[skronkywildcat]

Have we seen the nipple clamp post by the trans, “breastfeeding” “mother”?

 

[petitspois]

This an interesting short clip from Helen Joyce. Some of the biggest advocates that will keep this movement going are the parents of trans kids.

 

[Tui]

Went to the sea life centre this morning with my child, the reception area is festooned with pride flags AND specific flags like those for non binary, transgender and pansexuality. “Happy Pride from SeaLife and Legoland”
These are CHILDRENS entertainment venues. It’s one thing signing up the whole political pride thing which I’m just so used to now and don’t have a massive issue with but it’s always about trans and non binary underneath it all

 

[Ekathrina]

Even pet products are rainbowified. Bit strange, really.

 

[Scarlett O' Hara]

This an interesting short clip from Helen Joyce. Some of the biggest advocates that will keep this movement going are the parents of trans kids.

Helen Joyce is excellent and has hit the nail on the head regarding the parents who transition their kids.

Special place in hell for them for destroying the life of their kid(s). Barbaric surgeries, mood altering medication and right minded folk are supposed to sit back, agree , cheer them on for their bravery and say nothing. I don't think so.

 

[Vanelope]

This an interesting short clip from Helen Joyce. Some of the biggest advocates that will keep this movement going are the parents of trans kids.

This is what we have at school - the entire thing driven by the one family with two kids that are apparently non/binary or trans. She is on the board of governers, she is on the PTA, she has to be stopped quite honestly.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Have we seen the nipple clamp post by the trans, “breastfeeding” “mother”?

Did he post that previously and someone has added it to his breastfeeding picture ? I don’t really do Twitter.

 

[Badirene]

Even pet products are rainbowified. Bit strange, really. View attachment 2283950

My cat has started to self-identify as my overlord and master