Gender Discussion #47

[exhausted_mother]

a lot of likes and hearts And a few angry reaction.

comments swiftly turned off to protect trans people . SO INCLUSIVE AND WELCOMING.

Apparently Popsy isn’t what people thought now?!?

JC on a bike; they’re dresses and surely liking them is something that falls outwith individual creed/belief?!?
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and yet actual women are demonised for taking they’re own prescription medication or safe painkillers and otc medicine when pregnant and breastfeeding as it’s “not natural”
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surely milk ducts etc don’t develop fully with eostrogen induced gynaemastica and silicone implants? The hormones in pregnancy change the breasts and nipples from like 6 weeks to ready them for feeding. It’s too complex for fake estrogen therapy to replicate, surely.

As I say, women can induce lactation without being pregnant (there’s a protocol for it which I believe trans women use too) so I think the hormones you use (mainly the pill I believe) do something to stimulate change, because it can be very successful for women without needing to give birth. Less so, from my limited reading, in trans women which is probably because of the lack of female puberty and breast development.

Edit: have done a very quick google scholar search, most of the evidence is qualitative about trans peoples experiences of birth and breastfeeding. I can’t see any studies analysing the quality of breastmilk or comparing it to milk from a mother. I wonder if that research even exists?! I doubt it. One study I read described the 3 stages of breast tissue development, embryonic, pubertal and reproductive. Men have some breast tissue as it develops in the womb but then the lack of hormones at puberty means it doesn’t grow or change. Hence they can make some ‘milk’ but not to the quantities women can.

(midwife here, who struggled with feeding both my kids. The lack of support was traumatic, yet the literature describes an immense amount of support to affirm gender and support lactation!)

 

[threeSMEGfridges]

clapping and cheering from the sidelines, telling him he’s a better woman than his wife, an inspiration to all

Applauding them for being stunning and brave

 

[Gloria Rostron]

 

[exhausted_mother]

Cry me a bleeping river.

 

[VC10]

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How long before one insists they've got cervical cancer & insists on hospital treatment ( denying a genuine woman treatment) even though they don't have a cervix ?
Be straight in the hospital like bleeping greased lightning if he develops prostate cancer though, probably elbowing women out of the way in the corridors . I am bleeping PIG-SICK of all of this bull.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

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Can't remember anyone asking me which words I prefer to use during a medical appointment.

 

[OmgObsessed]

*TRIGGERING*
Nothing like groomers in expat group. duck I hate people.

 

[DryHeave]

Because this is a man, this is a mother breastfeeding.

If this was a woman, it would be a birthing person chest feeding.
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(Side note: I never took my children out of the pushchair on a bus till they were old enough to sit up unaided - far too dangerous to have a babe in arms on a moving vehicle.)

 

[Sea]

Attention seeking, selfish, sick, sociopathic, despicable man.

 

[emmer_moans]

Is it communism by stealth or fascism? Or are they both the same. Either way it's terrifying the way the world is going. My chink of hope is that Elon is trying to destroy twitter and in turn social media, it has alot to answer for. I know it won't go away but maybe a new generation will come up and reject it.

Believe it or not, I have seen a couple of teens on trains with "dumb phones " e.g. what I call top up phones like the old Nokia's etc. Some are starting to see the benefits of not being glued to a smart phone, and I saw a YouTube advert yesterday for an app that hides all your apps and temporarily makes your smart phone go basic, presumably to avoid distractions for a time, e.g. when at work or studying. I do think people will turn on social media soon, to some extent.
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Scientists are going along with the narrative:

For transgender women and nonbinary people on estrogen-based, gender-affirming hormone therapy, the ability to nourish their infants through production of their own milk may also be a profoundly gender-affirming experience.

Lactation Induction in a Transgender Woman: Macronutrient Analysis and Patient Perspectives - PubMed

These findings provide reassurance about the adequacy of nutrition from human milk produced by non-gestational transgender female and nonbinary parents on estrogen-based, gender-affirming hormone therapy, and support the importance of this experience on a personal level.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So as long as they’re having a profoundly gender-affirming experience, everything’s hunky dory. Never mind the potential effects on the infant.

The problem with science and research is they depend on grants, often from big companies. I work at a university (support side not academic) and we get internal mailings about how many hundreds of thousands XYZ professor has secured in funding for XYZ project from XYZ big tech organisation or or social enterprise etc. To an extent then research is being bought, it's not fully independent of bias. Where I work the whole social sciences dept are hook line and sunk in the gender ideology. They are the department who embraced the e-signature pronouns first, who hold "town halls" about gender etc. Makes me sick. Everyone can be bought. That's how we are here. When big companies have inclusivity indexes and points and rewards and punishments etc for compliance, it then follows that everyone dances to the pied pipers effing tune like putrid rats.

Also really frightening that vicar who probably a lifelong customer gets account closed. Why does the bank ask for feedback if they can't take the criticism? Who really is going to take the time to give good feedback to a bank??

 

[OmgObsessed]

It's really hard for women that aren't pregnant to stimulate breast milk. I highly doubt he has anything. If he does it's more likely lymph nodes fuild not even breastmilk. NASTY

 

[blahblahboring]

That poor baby.

It's really hard for women that aren't pregnant to stimulate breast milk. I highly doubt he has anything. If he does it's more likely lymph nodes fuild not even breastmilk. NASTY

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

[QUOTE="exhausted_mother, post: 15774320, member: 343849”]

Edit: have done a very quick google scholar search, most of the evidence is qualitative about trans peoples experiences of birth and breastfeeding. I can’t see any studies analysing the quality of breastmilk or comparing it to milk from a mother. I wonder if that research even exists?! I doubt it.


[/QUOTE]

I think such research is unlikely to emerge any time soon. Aside from the issue of who would have a vested interest in funding it, there is likely to be reticence on the part of TIMs to subject any of their artificially induced breast fluid to scrutiny for fear that the science might find it to be nutritionally inadequate.
Plus, of course, as far as they’re concerned they’re ‘real’ women, so their fantasy is that they produce ‘real’ milk, so what would be the point of a study?

 

[Vanelope]

Women who struggle to breastfeed (or choose not to) are women (obviously!) so why are TMIs so determined to ‘breastfeed’ to prove their ‘actual woman’ status?

Fetish! Gross perversion. Cannot be called out enough.

 

[Sea]

It's crazy that banks, organisations holding a person's finances can close an account on the basis of their opinion, based on voicing the real danger of gender ideology.

In the covid days, with vaccine passports and promotion of cashless society, for me there was a real concern of the line being crossed and also the power imbalance of these institutions having authoritarian control on someone's freedom and funds.
Now its happening with trans.

Where are moral principles of these organisations that happily invest in terrorism and war money

 

[Somerset girl]

Annoyingly, I can’t access the full article. I might ask a friend who is at uni doing her phd. The abstract seems to suggest the milk is nutritious, however I would wonder whether they could sustain a full milk supply? Non gestating mothers, in a same sex relationship for example, can also induce lactation but as women our breasts grow and change with puberty and again during pregnancy and lactation which probably explains why there is little evidence of trans women fully breastfeeding, because of a lack of the right tissue.

Or; this bloke gave up after 4m because it’s exhaustingly intense breastfeeding a baby and he couldn’t cope.

Just the summary reads as very unscientific, it mentions the nutritional quality of the milk but doesn't say what that is or how it compares to breastmilk. It then says the baby was "Co fed" which I assume means supplemented with formula or breastfed by the mother. In which case the chest juice the man was giving the baby was not nutritionally sufficient on its own! So what is the reason for doing this if not fetishism of the most disgusting type?

 

[Solpaqueen]

That poor little baby. I keep thinking about it. The trans movement is evil. It is sexual perversion. My boyfriend is on football Twitter and that thing sexually abusing a baby was being slaughtered on there. No support for it and he was identified for what he is a filthy pon
I have friends with a wide set of differing beliefs, religions, politics, pro vac, anti vac but I honestly hate the TRAs so much I now know I could not be friends with someone who supports this.

 

[Metropolis]

That poor little baby. I keep thinking about it. The trans movement is evil. It is sexual perversion. My boyfriend is on football Twitter and that thing sexually abusing a baby was being slaughtered on there. No support for it and he was identified for what he is a filthy pon
I have friends with a wide set of differing beliefs, religions, politics, pro vac, anti vac but I honestly hate the TRAs so much I now know I could not be friends with someone who supports this.

I think a lot of people aren’t aware of what’s going on with the TRAs or choose to ignore it. Once the general populous actually clock a photo like that with their own eyes, most would be horrified. The thing is, by the time this movement has pervaded into society to the extent that everyone realises what’s going on, too much damage will have already been done and it will be very difficult to row back on some of the decisions made to accommodate the cultists.

 

[HockyRorror]

Even the police are policing the police due to pride.

Link didn’t work. It’s this one
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And from this article, this year is all about the T.

Funny, I just read this post and exactly the same time, on the Jeremy Vine show this is the topic being discussed after the break. Will try and give a report back. Jeremy will be fawning, I imagine

 

[cesarea-tinajero]

okay, i have access through work to the article. i will read and report back

• so, basically, they only looked at calorie count, which was okay, even though they couldn't produce anywhere near enough milk for a baby to live (thank god for that at least), and so the mother was the main feeder.
• Had to use IVF for pregnancy
• Had to order domperidone from canada because couldn't get it from their doctors (wonder why)
• None if it was particularly scientific, admittedly this is not my area, i'm medical genomics, but we'd never get away with submitting something like this lol - its just a one person 'case study' where they just relied on his testimony and did some calorie testing on the resulting milk
• Most importantly "Other important characteristics of human milk, including micronutrients and bioactive factors, were not assessed".

I'd be most interested in knowing the bioactive factors etc, as from what i can recall from my looong time ago bio bsc, a baby can get a lot of immunity etc from their mother through breastfeeding, so I'm thinking a lot of TIM hormones are potentially transferred to the poor kid.