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I’m so sorry some of you are having issues with your daughters supporting TRAs, and I’m hoping this will maybe be of some comfort/reassurance to you that not all hope is lost:

I’m 24, left wing and largely surrounded by the “TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN!!!!!” brigade and was even one of them until recently. I really think the tide’s turning; it’s gone from mild courtesies such as going along with someone’s preferred pronouns to absolute extremism like implying same sex attraction is transphobic, and the removal of the word ‘woman’ from the NHS website etc.

Like we saw with Owen Jones the other day, if you don’t say the party line, even if it’s objectively untrue, you’re immediately attacked - I think that black and white thinking actually eventually pushes people who otherwise would’ve considered themselves allies away - that’s what it did to me. Now that non-women are being allowed in our spaces, it’ll likely become obvious with time exactly why they shouldn’t be there. Perhaps it’s too late then, but still. Also, now that doctors mutilating children is seen as progressive, it’s only a matter of time before there’s a complete crisis and even more evidence comes out about the unethical nature of it all (and stuff’s already coming out).

I think trying to appease and be kind to the oppressor both consciously and subconsciously is a defence mechanism women and girls use - we feel out of control, we can’t physically fight them, so our only option is to placate them. I think liberal feminism has also been going out of fashion recently… a lot of women seem to be realising that pretending you’re okay with/embracing patriarchal standards for women isn’t liberating, it’s just playing into the hands of your oppressor and their quality of life is worse as a result.

There’s far more of an expectation for women to ‘be kind,’ so I’m not surprised a lot of us have a knee jerk reaction the second we’re told we’re bigots instead of truly questioning what’s going on, but I do think women will notice with time. Hopefully enough women will wake up before it’s too late, but please know it’s not completely hopeless - I spent ages trying to suppress my own thoughts out of shame because I thought I was a bigot, and maybe some of your daughters are doing the same and that’s why their reactions are so extreme.
 
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What peaked me as a young woman then aged 23 was learning about autogynephilia. That’s it! Everything fell into place and it all made sense.

I recommend “Men trapped in men’s bodies” as good reading.

It’s been an endless mountain range of peaks since then. Another one was learning that TIMs as a group exhibit male pattern criminality. Ie they are just as dangerous as any other man.

Another thing sheltered young women often believe is that male violence is rare, “women are just as bad” and all that tit. It’s eye opening to learn that rapists are a substantial minority, not just rare exceptions.
 
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Interesting, seems some politicians are wising up to the divisiveness of pushing activist causes that affect a small minority…

Edit to add: I do wish more papers would cover this rather than straight-up promoting gender ideology.
 
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What peaked me as a young woman then aged 23 was learning about autogynephilia. That’s it! Everything fell into place and it all made sense.

I recommend “Men trapped in men’s bodies” as good reading.

It’s been an endless mountain range of peaks since then. Another one was learning that TIMs as a group exhibit male pattern criminality. Ie they are just as dangerous as any other man.

Another thing sheltered young women often believe is that male violence is rare, “women are just as bad” and all that tit. It’s eye opening to learn that rapists are a substantial minority, not just rare exceptions.
just did a bit of googling and it’s kinda similar to transvestism and also some sort of a fetish? This is why sometimes it gets kinda confusing with trans people, whether they really aren’t that comfortable or just plain aroused by the thought of wearing certain clothes. They then claimed to be trans instead because it’d be more acceptable to be seen cross-dressing as a trans rather than as non-trans?

I also watched a short documentary kinda like on YouTube by RT (can’t find the link now, apparently the channel is banned by YouTube) where people in their later stage of life who regret transitioning. Multiple research paper also started to look into this phenomena, so it’s kinda interesting that apparently some adult, who transitioned after they reached their legal age, to regret transitioning and don’t see transitioning as a solution to their body image problem
 
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I managed to change my woke adult son's mind by carefully explaining about the difference scenario's which could harm women if penises and their male egos and socialisation were present - toilets and voyeurism/harassment risk, prisons, women's refuges, hospital wards, schools etc. I told him how I would feel if I went for a smear test or mammogram and was greeted by a bloke in a frock and told him I'd have to walk out and probably wouldn't return due to past sexual assault. He'd never heard of autogynaephilia until I explained it to him. Women need safe spaces! Too many men are weird predatory creeps 🤢

He got it and is now on board with us ✊🏻😃
 
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Someone I'm going on holiday with over the summer now has a son who is calling himself 'she' and everyone seems to be falling over themselves to pander to it. He's clearly a really mixed up boy who happens to be gay. His Dad has treated him appallingly over the years.
I'm just going to have to bite my tongue and say nothing or it could end up in a few tipsy rants and ruin the holiday.
 
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I managed to change my woke adult son's mind by carefully explaining about the difference scenario's which could harm women if penises and their male egos and socialisation were present - toilets and voyeurism/harassment risk, prisons, women's refuges, hospital wards, schools etc. I told him how I would feel if I went for a smear test or mammogram and was greeted by a bloke in a frock and told him I'd have to walk out and probably wouldn't return due to past sexual assault. He'd never heard of autogynaephilia until I explained it to him. Women need safe spaces! Too many men are weird predatory creeps 🤢

He got it and is now on board with us ✊🏻😃
They get told all this crap at school and college where its indoctrinated. Schools always have been Liberal now they are going overboard. Also, they are all glued to their phones watching YouTube videos and talks, and that's full of it too. Thankfully, like your Son, he's sensible, and has taken on board ' the full picture' now thanks to you two discussing it xx ...
 
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My firm has just announced it’s joining Stonewall and the index and all that nonsense

FML
 
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Someone I'm going on holiday with over the summer now has a son who is calling himself 'she' and everyone seems to be falling over themselves to pander to it. He's clearly a really mixed up boy who happens to be gay. His Dad has treated him appallingly over the years.
I'm just going to have to bite my tongue and say nothing or it could end up in a few tipsy rants and ruin the holiday.
Someone I know (an acquaintance) is in a similar situation. Her son came out as gay (and nobody was surprised). He has very supportive liberal parents but a couple of months afterwards he then announced he was trans.

I haven't been in touch with her because I don't think that I could smile and be supportive in the way that they would want. As we're not close avoidance seems the best tactic so as not to upset anyone.
 
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just did a bit of googling and it’s kinda similar to transvestism and also some sort of a fetish? This is why sometimes it gets kinda confusing with trans people, whether they really aren’t that comfortable or just plain aroused by the thought of wearing certain clothes. They then claimed to be trans instead because it’d be more acceptable to be seen cross-dressing as a trans rather than as non-trans?

I also watched a short documentary kinda like on YouTube by RT (can’t find the link now, apparently the channel is banned by YouTube) where people in their later stage of life who regret transitioning. Multiple research paper also started to look into this phenomena, so it’s kinda interesting that apparently some adult, who transitioned after they reached their legal age, to regret transitioning and don’t see transitioning as a solution to their body image problem
There’s a good podcast called Gender a wider lens, that talks about what AGP is. And everything to do with what we talk about in here. I’ve found it really informative and restores my faith that not everyone is on the gender woo woo train and that you can still be compassionate but critical. And it’s not hateful to discuss issues around gender ideology.

My firm has just announced it’s joining Stonewall and the index and all that nonsense

FML
Go to HR and ask them how much it’s costing your organisation and what the benefits will be to staff. And ask them what they are doing to tackle misogyny in the work place. Maybe throw in the every 3 days a woman is killed at the hands of a man statistic and see what they say.
 
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Im convinced Stonewall is about to collapse on itself so they will end up with egg on their faces and the index being totally disregarded. Their money they are wasting.

I just had some training where we were talking about diversity and when I came up with examples of misogyny was told ‘the sexism stuff is easy - think of something else’ which i felt was dismissive.

It’s a bit woke - keeping my powder dry.
 
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just did a bit of googling and it’s kinda similar to transvestism and also some sort of a fetish? This is why sometimes it gets kinda confusing with trans people, whether they really aren’t that comfortable or just plain aroused by the thought of wearing certain clothes. They then claimed to be trans instead because it’d be more acceptable to be seen cross-dressing as a trans rather than as non-trans?

I also watched a short documentary kinda like on YouTube by RT (can’t find the link now, apparently the channel is banned by YouTube) where people in their later stage of life who regret transitioning. Multiple research paper also started to look into this phenomena, so it’s kinda interesting that apparently some adult, who transitioned after they reached their legal age, to regret transitioning and don’t see transitioning as a solution to their body image problem
I started a post last night which I then deleted where I suggested that transgender is basically transvestite without the fetish connotation so it can be considered mainstream. With so many femme gay men suggesting they are trans, it's also turning into a legitimate form of conversion therapy but that conversation is shut down by Trans organisations who claim that anyone trying to point this out are themselves resorting to conversion therapy. It's actually very disturbing how they completely manage to capture people and close down debate. On the other hand people should be more willing question anything they aren't onboard with but we've been conditioned over the last 25 years to not think for ourselves.

There’s a good podcast called Gender a wider lens, that talks about what AGP is. And everything to do with what we talk about in here. I’ve found it really informative and restores my faith that not everyone is on the gender woo woo train and that you can still be compassionate but critical. And it’s not hateful to discuss issues around gender ideology.


Go to HR and ask them how much it’s costing your organisation and what the benefits will be to staff. And ask them what they are doing to tackle misogyny in the work place. Maybe throw in the every 3 days a woman is killed at the hands of a man statistic and see what they say.
I'd also ask why they are choosing now to join Stonewall when so many other organisations are leaving and give them examples of said organisations
 
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My firm has just announced it’s joining Stonewall and the index and all that nonsense

FML
Im convinced Stonewall is about to collapse on itself so they will end up with egg on their faces and the index being totally disregarded. Their money they are wasting.

I just had some training where we were talking about diversity and when I came up with examples of misogyny was told ‘the sexism stuff is easy - think of something else’ which i felt was dismissive.

It’s a bit woke - keeping my powder dry.
Ugh, that's bad.
Like you say, you're keeping your powder dry.

Could it be that Stonewall are looking for new, possibly naive allies because they're being openly dumped by many large organisations and, maybe, they've reduced their membership £££ in a sales drive?

Naive in that some organisations really are oblivious to the tactics of Stonewall?

How did it go down with the rest of the group when they said that about sexism? How many goes did it take until someone came up with the "right" thing? :mad:
 
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Ugh, that's bad.
Like you say, you're keeping your powder dry.

Could it be that Stonewall are looking for new, possibly naive allies because they're being openly dumped by many large organisations and, maybe, they've reduced their membership £££ in a sales drive?

Naive in that some organisations really are oblivious to the tactics of Stonewall?

How did it go down with the rest of the group when they said that about sexism? How many goes did it take until someone came up with the "right" thing? :mad:
The LGBT part of EDI in the form is really being pushed by straight middle aged women and gay men.

I think a lot of the group were a bit confused about what they should respond.

feel a bit deflated about it to be honest but as you say - stonewall is losing legitimacy every day and they will be the foolish ones tying themselves to a failing organization.
 
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I just had some training where we were talking about diversity and when I came up with examples of misogyny was told ‘the sexism stuff is easy - think of something else’ which i felt was dismissive.
Woah. "Women have enough rights already, stop yapping on." (That or Stonewall has already started to put pressure on them to focus on gender instead of sex.)
 
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