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The guy without the glasses looks like the cat that caught the canary.




I love how these people are all often "ACAB, defund the police, abolish all prisons" but are more than happy to have the police help them opress uppity women.
I’m convinced some of those little masked shitbags are mainly opposed to showing their faces because they don’t want their mums to find out about it. They’d get a right ear bashing when they go home for tea after an afternoon of bullying women and gay men in the city centre.
 
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Robbie De Santos Director of Communications and External affairs for Stonewall was on the steering committee that came up with this new form. Previous forms had separate male and separate female questions on the same form. Now its miniscule in the grand scheme but its yet more evidence that language in the NHS is being driven by Stonewall. Have your disdain for the Daily Mail but they are one of the few papers that day in day out are breaking stories (and supporting) about gender ideology. They already have the story about Bristol up but you can bet the likes of BBC, Guardian etc will not be going near that yet.
I agree with you
It's easy to knock the Mail but papers like the Guardian are fully on board with the trans ideology and most of the others ignore the awful behaviour of the TRAs because it doesn't suit their agenda.
 
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I agree with you
It's easy to knock the Mail but papers like the Guardian are fully on board with the trans ideology and most of the others ignore the awful behaviour of the TRAs because it doesn't suit their agenda.
Yep. Agreed.
 
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Robbie De Santos Director of Communications and External affairs for Stonewall was on the steering committee that came up with this new form. Previous forms had separate male and separate female questions on the same form. Now its miniscule in the grand scheme but its yet more evidence that language in the NHS is being driven by Stonewall. Have your disdain for the Daily Mail but they are one of the few papers that day in day out are breaking stories (and supporting) about gender ideology. They already have the story about Bristol up but you can bet the likes of BBC, Guardian etc will not be going near that yet.
Aha, I didn't know that. It is concerning that any PR rep from a pressure group would have input on a medical form.

I agree with you entirely about the Mail. I have disdain for it on other issues, and disdain for anyone who goes for the "sad / outraged / compensation face" articles, but you're dead right that it, along with the Times, is very good on bringing the other side of the "trans debate" to public attention. Even if I still think the guy could easily have ticked the box, got on with his day, and actually helped people instead of doing something which will end up helping nobody.

I've read that female blood can't be used in men, or at least poses above-average risks. I don't know anything about this. Is this true ? If so that would appear to be a very good reason for having separate forms (or at least sex-specific sections of the same form) and no gender bollocks in the blood donation process.
 
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Thanks for the support… I just can’t even bring myself to start the conversation which I know is burying my head in the sand. I don’t care if she put it on tiktok or not, it’s the fact that she even thinks I SHOULD include TIMs in feminism that’s pissing me off 🤯 Not sure anyone remembers but a while back I wrote about her crying as some girls at school had done a presentation on why trans athletes shouldn’t be in female sports. She said, oh so you agree with them? I said yes and that was the end of conversation. First I moan about my bf not understanding and now her, bloody hell 🤣
You have my sympathy. I don't know how old your daughter is but I've got a daughter of 22 who is on board with all this crap too although fortunately she's happy being female. We've had a few heated discussions which have gone nowhere. Now I just don't talk to her about it. Luckily we get on pretty well as long as this subject doesn't come up.

They think that they are being kind and we are being mean so it's difficult to reason with them. I told my daughter that in the future she will have her eyes opened because she lives a pretty sheltered life at the moment and doesn't see the reality of how women will be affected.

So I've said my piece and that's all I can do. I probably won't be around when reality hits home for this generation but one day these young women will regret giving all their spaces away.
 
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Thanks for the support… I just can’t even bring myself to start the conversation which I know is burying my head in the sand. I don’t care if she put it on tiktok or not, it’s the fact that she even thinks I SHOULD include TIMs in feminism that’s pissing me off 🤯 Not sure anyone remembers but a while back I wrote about her crying as some girls at school had done a presentation on why trans athletes shouldn’t be in female sports. She said, oh so you agree with them? I said yes and that was the end of conversation. First I moan about my bf not understanding and now her, bloody hell 🤣
I'm so sorry. It's so heartbreaking! My daughter is also totally captured by this nonsense. She knows I'm a rape survivor and don't want people with penises in spaces where I feel vulnerable but says women who feel that way are "mental". I'm also intersex and have told her my caution about youngsters like her friends seeking to transition is that I know the reality of being on hrt for life, and as someone born with a body that is neither completely female nor male I don't understand why someone would choose to do it to themselves. She just says trans people come first and even intersex people have no idea of their suffering and vulnerability to violence and death.

It is scary how fast the indoctrination happens. After a lifetime of home education, she had six months in a school and here we are....nothing matters more than trans people and she'll throw any woman or girl under the bus. No logic works. She's utterly brainwashed.
 
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I'm so sorry. It's so heartbreaking! My daughter is also totally captured by this nonsense. She knows I'm a rape survivor and don't want people with penises in spaces where I feel vulnerable but says women who feel that way are "mental". I'm also intersex and have told her my caution about youngsters like her friends seeking to transition is that I know the reality of being on hrt for life, and as someone born with a body that is neither completely female nor male I don't understand why someone would choose to do it to themselves. She just says trans people come first and even intersex people have no idea of their suffering and vulnerability to violence and death.

It is scary how fast the indoctrination happens. After a lifetime of home education, she had six months in a school and here we are....nothing matters more than trans people and she'll throw any woman or girl under the bus. No logic works. She's utterly brainwashed.
Glad my daughter is still home educated as I just heard of a friend of a girl a few years older than my daughter who was sent home from school for basically stating biological sex is real in her class and if people where to dig you up in the future they would have no idea what badge you wore (to identify you are special) or what was in your head but they could easily identify your sex
 
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but what does “feel like I was born in a wrong body” statement mean? I thought it was normal for children to think that way even up until adulthood?

I also read from multiple Twitter threads Months ago that basically MTF were whining because they can’t get period and started to bash women who menstruate. It was crazy
 
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I told her you cannot change the sex you are born with and and that there are only biological men and woman and tried to educate her re men with penises etc, safe spaces, etc etc but she walked away saying she couldn't argue with someone like me!!
Not surprised, I would find it hard to argue delusion against facts too.
 
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but what does “feel like I was born in a wrong body” statement mean? I thought it was normal for children to think that way even up until adulthood?

I also read from multiple Twitter threads Months ago that basically MTF were whining because they can’t get period and started to bash women who menstruate. It was crazy
I often feel like this now, I’m 32 and I should look like Claudia schiffer 😂
 
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Dame Kelly for lesbian visibility :)

How many people will try and suggest she’s ACTUALLY a man coz she likes sports and fancies girls?? 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩
Ahh, that reminds me of that school that was so disgusted by JK Rowling’s TERF-y comments that people can’t change sex that they removed her name from one of their school Houses and replaced her with a much more respectable non TERF-y name in Kelly Holmes… And then got ridiculed and laughed at online when they proudly announced their decision when people tweeted them links about Kelly’s own comments against transgender women competing in women’s sports.
 
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It’s interesting that it’s more often young girls that are sucked into this madness, but I guess not that surprising considering social conditioning. I also think girls are socialised to be more cliquey - whereas it’s not the case with boys as much, although it does happen.
My son was gradually pushed out of his friends group because several of them became ‘trans’ (although they seemed to make no physical attempt to look any different - they just adopted different names and a bucketload of victimhood). He tried not to antagonise them but he’s got autistic traits and found it really difficult to remember the name changes and the pronouns and to be honest I think he just wasn’t very good at keeping up the pretence that he didn’t find it all a bit silly. This all happened gradually over lockdown but once things started opening up again, surprise, surprise, he stopped being invited to any of their meet-ups and now they don’t talk to him at all.
 
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It seems to me women are once again second class citizens. Everything we have fought for is being tuned upside down due to the minority shouting their mouths off.
sorry, but no womb, no opinion, just cos you say you’re something doesn’t make it true
 
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I'm so sorry. It's so heartbreaking! My daughter is also totally captured by this nonsense. She knows I'm a rape survivor and don't want people with penises in spaces where I feel vulnerable but says women who feel that way are "mental". I'm also intersex and have told her my caution about youngsters like her friends seeking to transition is that I know the reality of being on hrt for life, and as someone born with a body that is neither completely female nor male I don't understand why someone would choose to do it to themselves. She just says trans people come first and even intersex people have no idea of their suffering and vulnerability to violence and death.

It is scary how fast the indoctrination happens. After a lifetime of home education, she had six months in a school and here we are....nothing matters more than trans people and she'll throw any woman or girl under the bus. No logic works. She's utterly brainwashed.
How can she be sorry horrible to you, knowing what you have been through? 😢 Teenagers are so arrogant, they treat all adults as Karens or Gammons or whatever insults they can think of, but they refuse to see that us adults have their safety in our minds.

It’s interesting that it’s more often young girls that are sucked into this madness, but I guess not that surprising considering social conditioning. I also think girls are socialised to be more cliquey - whereas it’s not the case with boys as much, although it does happen.
My son was gradually pushed out of his friends group because several of them became ‘trans’ (although they seemed to make no physical attempt to look any different - they just adopted different names and a bucketload of victimhood). He tried not to antagonise them but he’s got autistic traits and found it really difficult to remember the name changes and the pronouns and to be honest I think he just wasn’t very good at keeping up the pretence that he didn’t find it all a bit silly. This all happened gradually over lockdown but once things started opening up again, surprise, surprise, he stopped being invited to any of their meet-ups and now they don’t talk to him at all.
Only 15 years ago, in terms of social trends kids cared about branded trainers and sports bags and going to McDonalds. Now it’s like school peer pressure has gone absolutely mental. What a toxic environment for kids to form their opinions and personalities. Homeschooling suddenly seems very appealing.
 
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You also never see a butch woman taking over “men’s day” or anything like that. It’s just creepy men in wigs taking over woman spaces. I don’t see any posters from media companies showing a “trans man” aka just a normal looking woman for anything representing men but we have men on period ads, for pregnant stuff and representing woman. Disgusting
 
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You have my sympathy. I don't know how old your daughter is but I've got a daughter of 22 who is on board with all this crap too although fortunately she's happy being female. We've had a few heated discussions which have gone nowhere. Now I just don't talk to her about it. Luckily we get on pretty well as long as this subject doesn't come up.

They think that they are being kind and we are being mean so it's difficult to reason with them. I told my daughter that in the future she will have her eyes opened because she lives a pretty sheltered life at the moment and doesn't see the reality of how women will be affected.

So I've said my piece and that's all I can do. I probably won't be around when reality hits home for this generation but one day these young women will regret giving all their spaces away.
If it helps anyone at 22 I was very TWAW and in the past had definitely spoken down to my mum about gender etc, to 'educate' her... But I got fully peaked on this thread and completely saw the light (I'm now 24). Hopefully with everything going on in the crazy world of GC v TRAs it's clear to see the 'right' side!
 
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@Our Cilla. My son is quite woke and when I mentioned the furore around the swimmer Lia Thomas one afternoon, my son said something like "Oh god, please don't tell me that you're a terf". I was quite shocked but kept my cool and explained exactly how the current transgender movement would affect someone like his grandmother (my mum), who is currently undergoing treatment for a terminal illness. As I told him, it would not be acceptable for her, an elderly woman, to have a man attending to her intimate needs in hospital, for instance. I explained how we had spent time in women's changing-rooms when shopping for outfits, and how uncomfortable she (and I for that matter) would feel if there were men in there. I asked him how he thinks she would feel if there was a man in a women's toilet when she was using it? And then I asked him if he felt that it was acceptable for his sister, or his young nieces to be faced with penises when using the women's changing-rooms in the local swimming pool.

Young people can be very idealistic about this ideology, but they don't always understand the real life impact that it has on actual women and girls. It's all very well to be seen to celebrate "gender diversity" when you're in a nightclub, or at a parade, it's not so great when your 4 year old daughter is being indoctrinated by "drag queens" at a library story-telling session.
 
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