Gender Discussion #19

[petitspois]

I suppose the root of all men dressed as women to entertain is the fact that they look so shit it's laughable. I hate seeing it in any shape or form.

 

[Blond3g1rl]

I was going to say I think I must have been about 12 or 13!

Same.

 

[weeweegie]

The ‘Gender a wider lens’ podcast talks in depth about gender dysphoria and how typically trans women fall in to two categories- effeminate gay man and straight men with AGP. I’m not sure with trans men. I’m on episode 8 but there’s 50 odd so it’ll take me a while but so interesting.

 

[emm]

I actually do like Sydney Watson. She is definitely conservative and I absolutely don't agree with all her views (she is pro-gun for example) but her videos on gender issues and the lack of child safeguarding are spot on. The more people talking about this the better.

oh yeah her views about anything other than child safeguarding/trans issues are insane but I agree, and as I have said before, I cannot believe as someone who is leftwing this is someone I am posting as no one else I would otherwise support is. The child thing is especially insane to me, we all know society basically doesn't care about women... but I really did think children would be more protected , acolutely insane

 

[emm]

I can appreciate the point because of the constant onslaught but I think that is just normal language that would be used in this context. When someone is pretending to be something they are not such as fat, old, pregnant, disabled if would often be …I am playing a fat person…pregnant person. It could be equally speaking some people would say fat woman, old woman, pregnant woman…..and so on. Obviously it’s it’s acting the credits will reflect the sex.

i think in this pregnant person actually sounds better, not only just for the alliteration but if it said "pregnant woman" surely that implies there is such a thing as a pregnant man?

 

[tafseel]

Sorry I’m confused, what do they want to achieve?

 

[Scotch Mist]

Now that the harrop case has finished good sum of the abuse that he meted out

What happened to Caroline Farrow

Adrain Harrop's campaign of terror against one woman

grahamlinehan.substack.com

That was horrific reading. Did that poor woman Farrow try to take him to court for harassment? I really hope he didn't get away with it.

 

[Peachsquish]

Popped up in the Mirror fb page, slightly misleading headline but would still kiss people without informing them

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-ne...ok&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=mirror_main

 

[thegirlscout]

What the fuck?

Th et said they could keep it too

 

[nothanksbabes]

I think in practice it'll be longer than a month as he'll have to re-register as a GP (I think - just paraphrasing what I've read elsewhere).

 

[Goosegamer]

The first stage in Dr Haddock's tribunal has finished. The next stage is for the panel to decide whether his fitness to practice is impaired, and then the third is to consider sanctions.

Thank you

The way twitter was going in today, it was if they expected him to be hanged, drawn and quartered this afternoon.

 

[petitspois]

Interesting https://thecritic.co.uk/is-defeating-stonewall-the-end-of-the-story/

 

[roger_50]

tl:dr - men innately sticking up for other men. It's not them who are affected, we have to absorb all of the 'others' into our language and spaces.

The thing is, in my experience, you could quote that word-for-word towards groups of women when a lone man is present. They all synchronise and become a single entity. I don't think it's down to either being men or being women.

 

[Glortard]

I’m with you. I don’t think “pregnant person” is a phrase that would have been uttered by anyone until recently. “Pregnant” is such a sex-specific term it just wouldn’t be used alongside “person”.

I’m sure Eastenders did it deliberately and it’s yet another example of the insidious way that gender ideology is infecting everything.

Yes gender ideology is creeping in everywhere however in the case of what was discussed I don't believe that is the case. I never watched the scene and don't watch eastender's so had just commented on what the dialogue that had been quoted said. The term person is used when describing one's character. The scene in question was from one person's viewpoint so the girl saying she was playing a pregnant person makes sense. Same if a woman says she is acting......she could describe different parts she was playing such as drunk person, pregnant person, new mother, doctor etc. If you are watching and listening you know she is a woman so there is no need for her to say drunk female, female doctor as its self evident from her description what type of character she will be. However the term new mother is correctly used as that refers to a woman that has recently given birth. Equally speaking the actress if asked by friends if she has had any parts recently she could say that she was a pregnant woman in casualty or she could say she played a pregnant person. From the others peoples viewpoints they know she is a woman so both descriptions are valid. On the credits it would be correctly labelled as pregnant woman as it would not be correct to use language such as pregnant person or just pregnant there.

If it was me talking as a man about situations I would use the correct language ....for example
"you will make great parents" to a couple who are friends....separately it would be great mother or father
"I gave my seat up to a pregnant woman on the train"....I am not describing what character I was but rather someone else
" the pub was crap it was full of old people" .... the sex of the clientele is not relevant to describe the atmosphere to another person here

The above may seem like I am making a lot of pointless points however it comes from my personal experience. I have often in the past read or watched something that has made me annoyed for hours which in the odd case upon rereading/discussion was not what I had first concluded. Of course if Eastender's has a new mother character in it soon and she talks about chestfeeding by all means shout at the TV "woke arseholes its effing breastfeeding!".

 

[emm]

I appreciate that stance and I personally tend to act this way too. However, I think personal behaviour around this topic should not be regulated and certainly not legislated. On social media people tend to pretend there is a clear line, I.e. x is cultural appropriation, y isn't. I think often it is far from clear.

yeah, social media is really not a good place to have such a complicated conversation

 

[emm]

I dunno, maybe you’re right. Maybe i’m sensitive to it because of the blatant attempts to erase women centred language. It’s on par with ‘people with a cervix’ in my eyes. I felt like it was a very intentional choice of words used by the writers. I never heard of the term ‘pregnant person’ until relatively recently. When I was growing up it was always pregnant woman/lady/mother, maybe that was just my experience.

Fat or old people can be of either sex. So saying ‘fat person’ or ‘old person’ makes sense. Only women can get pregnant so why not acknowledge that?

Like I said I know it’s a relatively minor thing amongst everything that gets discussed here. Maybe I am making something of nothing.

true, i guess just saying "pregnant"would make more sense

 

[emm]

Oh ffs! I suspect I might get the exact same - mine is also a male Labour MP and while he's good on most things I'm not expecting him to acknowledge the safety issue at all. Haven't written yet though so I suppose he might surprise me.

Yeh ditto where I live. He is good on other issues but I imagine he is just one of the many people who haven’t really thought about this and will just spout the party line

 

[eSsExBiRd]

this one?

Nope, there’s another one. It was on during Jamie Oliver last night on C4

Found it:

 

[emm]

My friend and her sister hated it and said they don't work.

I a now (from tattle) on 4/5 bad..)

 

[LydiaDeetzHat]

Wild was just discussed in the Niomi Smart thread because they’re sending her a new can every few months…obviously in the name of sustainability which they care about greatly

I've had emails from their individual work accounts and haven't seen any evidence of the pronoun thing