What’s disgusting about it? The murders, rape and paedophilia are disgusting, yes, and there have been countless stories about TRAs doing all of the above, yes. I’m not accusing you of anything; I’m saying that if you go down the route of “you support X so that means you agree fully with Y” then it applies in both directions.I'm saying it undermines the article. I don't know how much more simply I can say it.
This is a disgusting thing to say also, but it never fails to amaze me how quickly these discussions descend so quickly into such accusations.
Exactly. Literally any excuse to write off women’s experiences. Yet like I said before - tonnes of TRAs with guns and threats of violence and it’s ‘not all trans people.’ I’m so tired.The rest of us are simply tired of women not being believed or discredited.
Exactly. And the wiSpa thing. “It didn’t happen, the women are lying” to “it didn’t happen like that, this is just trying to discredit trans people” to “that person probably isn’t even trans anyway” to “that is a male just pretending to be trans in order to assault women”.BUT even before Cade was revealed to be a sexual predator, you already had people discrediting the article and calling the women liars soooo
As a lesbian who has spoken about my experiences on past threads, women are constantly discredited and called liars by the same people with #BelieveWomen plastered all over their social media.
It's even more depressing when it's women disbelieving other women. I expect it from some men. We're honestly going back to the days of people combing through a persons character before deciding if we should believe them. Actually, those days never went awayThe article wasn't perfect. I mean, we have people comparing the article to 'what if this was said about black men, or gay men' but entirely missing the point that this culture of coercion is acceptable and applauded when trans women do it - they even have allies doing it for them. Example: Tas hmica To rok who bullied a lesbian into seeking therapy to cure her ''aversion'' to penises and was THRILLED that she had done so. She believed that this was her being an ally to trans people and calling out transphobia. No one is advocating that straight men saying no to gay men is homophobic. But people are 100% doing that for trans women.
Perhaps the article didn't do a good job of driving that point? Or perhaps people are just deliberately not getting the point.
BUT even before Cade was revealed to be a sexual predator, you already had people discrediting the article and calling the women liars soooo
As a lesbian who has spoken about my experiences on past threads, women are constantly discredited and called liars by the same people with #BelieveWomen plastered all over their social media.
This Twitter thread is doing the rounds
Where are the stats to say trans people are being murdered?!?
I bet not manyHow many boys are going to wear a skirt anyway?! Presumably the girls can wear trousers...
ETA, sorry things have moved on while I was catching up
I find often with these sorts of things it's one super woke person making a suggestion and the decision makers not wanting to say no (for various reasons) as opposed to any real numbers being in support of it at all.I bet not manyespecially as its bloody freezing now.
It's probably been done to accommodate one child.
It's a pointless gesture that is easy to do- send an email around or a notice to parents and there you go, you've completed 'diversity and inclusion' or whatever. Much easier to do that than address any actual issues and they get to pat themselves on the back for being so tolerant and progressive.I find often with these sorts of things it's one super woke person making a suggestion and the decision makers not wanting to say no (for various reasons) as opposed to any real numbers being in support of it at all.
I agree completely but it is accepted in journalism that a 'bad source' undermines an article somewhat. Disappointing when you think how many people must have needed to approve that article.People can do bad things and still raise valid points. These things aren't mutually exclusive. This kind of dogmatic idea that people and things are either good or bad or right or wrong in their entirety is half the problem with trying to have a conversation about this.
especially with how easy it is to check things like this nowadaysI agree completely but it is accepted in journalism that a 'bad source' undermines an article somewhat. Disappointing when you think how many people must have needed to approve that article.
According to the Trans Murder Monitoring project, 11 trans women have been murdered in the UK since 2008. You can see the latest stats per country here: https://transrespect.org/en/map/trans-murder-monitoring/ and their methodology here: https://transrespect.org/en/tmm-methodology/This Twitter thread is doing the rounds
Where are the stats to say trans people are being murdered?!?
I cannot comment on the statistics obviously as I have no idea, but surely this is a disadvantage if trans women want to identify as just "women", this means that none of these statistics would be accurately collected? As usual none of this really makes senseAccording to the Trans Murder Monitoring project, 11 trans women have been murdered in the UK since 2008. You can see the latest stats per country here: https://transrespect.org/en/map/trans-murder-monitoring/ and their methodology here: https://transrespect.org/en/tmm-methodology/
They've noted that some countries such as Brazil and Mexico stand out due to the partner organisations in those countries working to collect data on a regular basis - I'm not sure there's as much monitoring in the UK. But it's a little underhand for TRAs to claim "many" trans women are being murdered because the current data simply doesn't match up.
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