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I was thinking the same the other day when I saw Cambridge bleating on about ‘women forgetting to have children’ and these articles the papers keep printing about women not having enough babies anymore. It’s been a long time since I read the book but didn’t Gilead literally start because of a baby shortage?
At this point, anything could happen! Overpopulation, yet there is a baby shortage, the radical woke left being called fascists by the "conservative" right. Men are women, women are people with cervixes. Who actually knows anymore?!
 
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Nutter on twitter

"Margaret Atwood is one of my favorite authors and I’ve read the majority of her books. It is truly disappointing to see someone with a talent for language fall for a TERF dog-whistle. I’m a non-binary person with a tina and I don’t want to be called “woman” or “girl"


She might not want to be called a woman or a girl but if she has a tina then I'm afraid she is one.
And we all know how a Gilead would treat her and why.
 
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Yes! We all know who is female when the female body can be used and commodified for the purpose of reproduction. Reminds me of Owen Jones talking about finding a woman to be his surrogate a while ago. Suddenly he knew what a biological female was when her body could carry a child for him.
 
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My workplace has reminded us it is International Pronouns Day 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

It has nothing to do with my job ffs.
 
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This was an infuriating article but it has an interesting 'statistic'

Because the number of non-cis people is rapidly increasing with every generation and according to one recent GLAAD study, 12% of people aged 18-34 in the U.S. identify as something other than cisgender.

Which led to this article


Incomplete or vague eligibility criteria lead to study samples that systematically exclude portions of the target population; for instance, studies on pregnancy experiences recruiting women only, thereby excluding pregnant transgender and gender nonbinary people from the study.
It's difficult to get women's health studied or women included in general medical trials at all. Though I do worry about the health of a baby if the mother is using random medications that haven't had their effects studied in pregnancy, especially if they are prescribing them through somewhere like GenderGP without safeguarding.
 
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I personally don't think it's unreasonable to exclude trans/NB pregnant women from qualitative work because it's very likely they will have different experiences to other women and so it doesn't really make sense from a qualitative perspective to lump them all together? Particularly if the work is intending to e.g. suggest changes to care or how pregnancy care is handled, it makes a lot of sense to do that separately. I would say it's harder to justify excluding trans (not started medically transitioning)/NB people from quant work that examines e.g. biological women, because they are biological women and their results would still be appropriate.
The other thing is that research is not meant to be inherently 'inclusive' in the way this person is using that sentiment. Inclusivity in research is about ensuring underserved groups WITHIN the population you're studying are included, so say you were doing a pregnancy study, you'd want to make sure you weren't accidentally making it hard for black women to participate, or people without a computer, whatever. You don't just say 'ah well for the sake of inclusivity we'll have to include men' because...that's not what you're studying. And actually your inclusion/exclusion criteria should be very tight so that there's absolutely no doubt about who your results are meant to apply to. I'd love to write an article about this one day if I can be bothered. This rhetoric is making bad science and research practices.
 
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I still don't get how trans activism has gained so much traction. There are so many other instances where there is genuine, deep and systematic inequality to large groups (i.e women, people who don't have white skin) why do a bunch of - what look like - men dressed up as women hold so much sway?

It disgusts me.
 
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find another reallly boring international day that is also today and at any mention of pronouns start talking about "but let's not forget..." loudly and arrogantly 😂
 
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I still don't get how trans activism has gained so much traction. There are so many other instances where there is genuine, deep and systematic inequality to large groups (i.e women, people who don't have white skin) why do a bunch of - what look like - men dressed up as women hold so much sway?

It disgusts me.
Powerful people pumping money into promoting it, like pharma companies that benefit from selling their products. That leads to the media promoting it for fear of losing sponsorships.
My friend that is really into this and shares info about it almost every day told me that the Spanish twitter account for Amazon was tweeting about "cis people" in shows and movies months ago. And she went on a rant about it. When you have companies like Amazon or Netflix validating your theories, it's a lot easier, isn't it?
Shows like "Sex education", watched by young people, talk about non-binary, binders, ... but hey, they are so oppressed.
 
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@emmer_moans

find another reallly boring international day that is also today and at any mention of pronouns start talking about "but let's not forget..." loudly and arrogantly 😂
"Wow today is actually world osteoporosis day? As someone who suffers with this how dare you undermine my existence"
 
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@emmer_moans

find another reallly boring international day that is also today and at any mention of pronouns start talking about "but let's not forget..." loudly and arrogantly 😂
Here's a few


I shall be celebrating International Sloth Day by having a relaxing evening indoors later.

Your wish is my command! Don't you know it's SLOTH DAY?!?!
Snap!
 
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I still don't get how trans activism has gained so much traction. There are so many other instances where there is genuine, deep and systematic inequality to large groups (i.e women, people who don't have white skin) why do a bunch of - what look like - men dressed up as women hold so much sway?

It disgusts me.
I think it’s gained traction for two reasons.

1. Because it’s a men’s rights movement. Trans identified females are swept along with it, but they’re collateral damage. This movement has always been about men and not women.

2. Because it plays into the heart of liberal people who want nothing more than to feel like they’re the nicest, kindest, most enlightened, tolerant, broad-minded people in society. It’s so easy. All you need to do is pointlessly add your pronouns on work emails/social media, tweak your language a bit, and grandstand on social media about how unisex toilets “wouldn’t bother me”. Congratulations. You are such a good person 🏆
 
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I think it’s gained traction for two reasons.

1. Because it’s a men’s rights movement. Trans identified females are swept along with it, but they’re collateral damage. This movement has always been about men and not women.

2. Because it plays into the heart of liberal people who want nothing more than to feel like they’re the nicest, kindest, most enlightened, tolerant, broad-minded people in society. It’s so easy. All you need to do is pointlessly add your pronouns on work emails/social media, tweak your language a bit, and grandstand on social media about how unisex toilets “wouldn’t bother me”. Congratulations. You are such a good person 🏆

With the second point I think it's also a fear of being on 'the other side' - society is so divided now (especially on social media) that if you believe 99% of 'side A' and 1% of 'side B' that you'll be viewed as belonging to 'side B', and when all your friends constantly talk about how much they hate side B then that fear can keep you quiet. I think this is especially true for younger people in their teens and early 20s when peer pressure is much more effective.
 
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