interesting, I had never thought about the ID card issue as obviously we dont have them in the uk, this must be an issue in lot of the rest of Europe I guess
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I think it is. I think there are some easy solutions. Changing a name should be fairly easy (though records need to be kept linking your old name to your new name - otherwise police checks wouldn't really work). On your passport or ID your natal sex should be recorded, unless you've fully transitioned, in which case I think it would be fair to record the new sex. On medical records it should be clear what your natal sex is and whether you are on cross sex hormones, etc. Surely this is massively relevant and important to the trans person - much more relevant than it is to me personally.
If your ego is so fragile that you can't handle any of this (and I've said it many times before, I don't actually think this is true for people with gender dysphoria) you need therapy more than you need the law to change.
I’ll post some of the articles via Google I’ve read that are by scientists or those with a science background.
Sex isn't binary, and we should stop acting like it is
It's time for legislation and education to reflect sex as a spectrum with unlimited options
massivesci.com
Gender Spectrum: A Scientist Explains Why Gender Isn't Binary
Science confirms that gender (and sex) exist along a spectrum, because both are composed by a mosaic of traits—none of which are binary.
cadehildreth.com
Below is a link to a book I believe you can read online but my phone is playing up (it’s old!) so I can’t read it at the moment but the blurb states ‘Kessler and McKenna convincingly argue that gender is not a reflection of biological reality but rather a social construct that varies across cultures. Valuable for its insights into gender, its extensive treatment of transsexualism, and its ethnomethodological approach, Gender reviews and critiques data from biology, anthropology, sociology, and psychology’. It’s from 1985. https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=gender+&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=#p=Jt_HKknK4dkJ
This is from a doctor that argues about ‘gender is a psychosocial construct determined by individuals' experience of being male or female, being largely learned through environmental and social cues’
I don’t want to overload you with links so I’ll stop there. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with any of it, just that it seems there has been talk about this in the scientific community for several decades. For some reason I can’t read scholar articles on my phone but that could be an issue with my phone being old and it always bugs out!
@thegirlscout thanks, I don't think any of this 'proves' that gender is anything other than a social construct still? Am I missing the point you're making with these (not being rude - genuinely think I'm missing something having skimmed them) at best one seems to think sex isn't binary but none of them prove gender is biological for example? Also the two from Google scholar don't take me to a source so I can't see those - just a Google scholar search for 'gender' and 'gender social construct'.
ETA haven't got time to do a full on quality assessment right now but worth noting these aren't peer reviewed articles, one seems to just be someone's blog!
ETA haven't got time to do a full on quality assessment right now but worth noting these aren't peer reviewed articles, one seems to just be someone's blog!
I wasn’t making any point.
Just that there has been a debate in the sceintific community about gender as a construct.
The 'Sex isn't Binary' paper is really frustrating because the author uses DSD as an example to try and prove biological sex is a spectrum. It's not fair to pull in people with DSD as an example push the TRA agenda.
Ok, but those sources weren't all about gender - that's why I'm confused. And one even said 'gender is a psychosocial construct' (one of the ones I couldn't open) hence my confusion.
I've just scan read them too and from what I can see the main points that are being made are: sex is not binary because there are intersex people, there are variations within the same biological sex, eg. tall people (lol) and genital difference and as you say the gender is a social construct argument. So no new evidence from what I can glean, unless I am missing something
Thanks, that's what I thought too! Very dodgy sources also.I've just scan read them too and from what I can see the main points that are being made are: sex is not binary because there are intersex people, there are variations within the same biological sex, eg. tall people (lol) and genital difference and as you say the gender is a social construct argument. So no new evidence from what I can glean, unless I am missing something
Exactly, I've seen so many intersex people on Twitter asking that TRAs stop using them as proof that sex is a spectrum
I didn’t say they were the best sources, just what I found online about it.
It must be incredibly frustrating to be used as a pawn in someone else's argument, without your consent, especially for such a contentious subject.
I just don't see how science - with all the extraordinary discoveries that have been made thus far - could have overlooked something as hugely significant as sex being anything other than binary.
There are only two gametes. That’s it.
I know you didn't, I'm just pointing it out. I'm sorry but this whole interaction has confused me given you replied to my initial post about scientific work, that's all. It shouldn't be so difficult to access proper peer reviewed science in my opinion which is why I asked if anything you'd wanted to read was behind a paywall that I can access.
Exactly this. And if someone thinks they've come up with some brilliant theory disproving that sex is binary then it wouldn't be on a blog, it would be in a high impact peer reviewed journal.
It would be a Nobel prize
This article came up on my social media about how a trans woman was voted ‘woman of the year’ in her slimming world group after only being a member for a few weeks. Also refers to themselves as a ‘transgirl’ rather than ‘transwoman’ which always creeps me out. Just ridiculous.
FFS! It’s always the very odd-looking, especially weird ones with the receding hairlines that refer to themselves like that. They’ve probably watched a lot of ‘sissy porn’ and think of themselves as ‘girls’ in their porn-addled little brains.
They are related because this movement likes to obfuscate reality. It's not grounded in things being what they really are - so what surgeries actually areand entail are sanitised by being simply top or bottom surgery. Hormones named to sound cool - taking T or taking E. But the full ramifications of these things, what they really mean in the long term seems to be skated over.
Similarly, pronouns are used in English to describe the sex of the person you are referring to. Your child might believe they have a gender identity which is non-binary, but their sex is female and that will mean certain things in life that it is necessary to understand - how your body works, what will happen to it as it ages, if you have sex, if you get pregnant etc. Your child does have a right to freedom of belief, which in this case is belief in a non-binary gender identity...but your child can't force anyone else to believe in it, or to force pronoun usage to be based on gender identity and not sex or to force people to see them as not female. Suggesting to your child that they do have the freedom to force their personal belief on other people is probably not going to be helpful in the long term because it's not a thing that's possible in a pluralistic society.
Wonder if they use the syn allowance of their actual sex or that of their gender identity. Seem to remember my husband got more syns than I did, even though I weighed more at the time because he was male
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Has won the award as both male and female.
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Stunning & brave.
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