Gender Discussion #109

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Yeah, I got the impression she was a wee bit dim 😬 Seemed to want a pat on the back for stating that JKR’s views were highly controversial and her presence tarnishes anyone who stands next to her.
But couldn't grasp the concept that not everyone finds her views controversial or that many people plan their meetings using an ordinary monthly calendar and times/locations that are convenient for all parties, rather than using the professionally offended calendar.
 
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I've also been following the Tempest tribunal on Mumsnet, I thought that Tempest was batshit crazy but Emma Dunn is on another level completely. And the most shocking thing is that for 5 years she was employed fulltime to promote the a:gender network within the civil service (she herself has a DSD). So we, the taxpayers, were paying this trans-activist a salary to promote trans ideology.

Absolutely unbelievable. How the hell can that be justified? No wonder the civil service is captured. This is beyond shocking. Who signed that off?

I wonder what other trans-shaped skeletons are lurking in public sector organisations? With each new tribunal, I think that I can't be shocked anymore, yet here we are. A civil servant paid to work fulltine promoting a trans ideology network. Madness.
I wonder if Emma misunderstood the brief?
HMLR has run this site for a while now

 
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I was thinking the same thing! I remember the days on here when even the mildest comment about not being able to literally change sex, TW are not W resulted in a flood of sick and angry reacts.

Maybe soon we won’t always get people yelling GEt bAcK tO THe GEnDer tHrEaD! 😂
It's so weird isn't it, like off back to your thread ghetto, even when the issue is quite clearly related to the topic at hand. Clearly stuff in forum threads will stay vaguely on topic, but that discussion wasn't off topic, and the number of reactions to those posts speaks volumes.

I get the sense that people sometimes try to regulate where a discussion can happen because they're uncomfortable with the uncertainty or social consequences it, rather than because it's irrelevant.

Someone posts their opinion, and that's OK until they realise that the majority are no longer going to blindly agree with them and might question the thing they've posted. Then suddenly everyone has to duck off back to their niche thread where the people with uncomfortable opinions have to hide. 😂
 
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God, every time she posts I think of that Peep Show quote: 'You're not a bad person but I'm afraid to say that you're a moron.'
It happens a lot in this sort of discussion. I've had people say to me about gender ideology, "I don't understand how you can think X isn't a woman when he really feels he is?" or some other "I don't get it" statement, and I'm like, yes, I can clearly and painfully see that you do not understand 😂. And that's an issue with your ability, not my logic.
 
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I remember being piled on on that thread when I said Brian Cox the astronomy guy on TV looked like he was transitioning.
Brian Cox has a wife who is very Terfy no? I’m sure that’s one of the many reasons Robin Ince was given the push.
Hoping Brian just needed a haircut…
 
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Brian Cox has a wife who is very Terfy no? I’m sure that’s one of the many reasons Robin Ince was given the push.
Hoping Brian just needed a haircut…
Was going to post the same thing but thankfully read on (for a change) and saw your post.

I've also read that Brian Cox's missus has had more than one run in with Robin"TW are W" Ince, and Brian sided with his wife.

One of the many reasons that Ince was given the push. Among the others are a) unfunny, b) attention-seeking and c) thick as 🐖💩 while thinking himself the cleverest and most witty person on the planet.

There are doubtless many more reasons.
 
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I remember being piled on on that thread when I said Brian Cox the astronomy guy on TV looked like he was transitioning.
Brian's always looked a bit girly, his wife wouldn't stand for any nonsense on that front.
 
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I get the sense that people sometimes try to regulate where a discussion can happen because they're uncomfortable with the uncertainty or social consequences it, rather than because it's irrelevant.

Someone posts their opinion, and that's OK until they realise that the majority are no longer going to blindly agree with them and might question the thing they've posted. Then suddenly everyone has to duck off back to their niche thread where the people with uncomfortable opinions have to hide. 😂
Absolutely! I’ve thought this for a while. Usually it’s because there’s a bit too much truth telling going on, and too many people are agreeing, and they’d rather go back to the good old days of Tattle when it was wall to wall sick emojis and public shaming. At least if they can get the mods to shut down debate, they can feel secure that the TERFs are still the baddies.
 
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I agree with Janet Murray
However the part I find most concerning is this:
Whatever your views on the trans issue itself, how can anyone look at the way women have been treated - simply for expressing an opinion about their own rights, bodies and sports - and not conclude that something has gone badly wrong?
Perhaps many people do think that.
Perhaps they're simply too afraid to say that too.
But I think it was Sall Grover who said that if all the women who've stayed silent spoke up at once, that would be it.
That's all it would take to reveal how small the number of true believers really is.
And yet, still, so many remain silent.
That fear tells us everything. 🦕💚🤍💜
 
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The poster who was harping on about JK and Camilla does the same kind of thing on other threads, she doubles down and twists words and will not ever admit she might be wrong then gets upset that people are 'piling on.'
I really don't think she's a bad person, she just can't handle being told she's wrong.

I tried to explain the beginning of the KKK to her a while ago (American Civil War and Reconstruction are subjects I'm very interested in) and she straight up said no, you're wrong when I definitely knew what I was talking about.

Anyway it backfired and it's comforting to know the tide has really turned, at least on Tattle.
That poster is a big Sturgeon fan and SNP voter so critical thought is well beyond them.
 
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@Weebles Wobble .. thank you, that video is really helpful.
We need to be so careful when complaining, it's a bleeping minefield and I really resent having to tiptoe around this weirdo who is basically parading her mental health issues and sexual fetishes in front of teenage girls in her care.
We keep rewriting our email, trying to ensure that we cause the maximum amount of concern with the minimum amount of offence, it's exhausting. I wonder how my colleagues and patients would feel if I turned up to work dressed as a cowboy, or a bride or a clown? (Not my sexual fetishes btw!) I'd be told to go home and come back in suitable attire. I definitely wouldn't be allowed to insist that everyone called me Chuckles and allowed me to throw buckets of water over them. But it's perfectly fine for a woman to pretend to be a man and to expect everyone in the whole school to go along with it. 😡
 
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@Weebles Wobble .. thank you, that video is really helpful.
We need to be so careful when complaining, it's a bleeping minefield and I really resent having to tiptoe around this weirdo who is basically parading her mental health issues and sexual fetishes in front of teenage girls in her care.
We keep rewriting our email, trying to ensure that we cause the maximum amount of concern with the minimum amount of offence, it's exhausting. I wonder how my colleagues and patients would feel if I turned up to work dressed as a cowboy, or a bride or a clown? (Not my sexual fetishes btw!) I'd be told to go home and come back in suitable attire. I definitely wouldn't be allowed to insist that everyone called me Chuckles and allowed me to throw buckets of water over them. But it's perfectly fine for a woman to pretend to be a man and to expect everyone in the whole school to go along with it. 😡
When I’ve had to do these I have concentrated on the unwanted effect it has on my child/myself rather than directly saying that the person is a lunatic (although that was my thought). It would be about how I don’t consent to her being exposed to these ideas and confusing her, it has given us concern over the new knowledge she has and that it is highly inappropriate for her to know such things about the staff and it is erased boundaries that must exist to ensure safeguarding. I also rejected the idea that it was kind to use preferred pronouns, I said that kids will do anything to be kind at that age and it was manipulating them into denying the reality their eyes and ears were telling them. (I’m quite proud I got to say that to a headteacher after being infuriated by the news they were told to be kind and use they pronouns. )

All we have learned about my kids new teachers home life this week is that one likes to kayak and one likes to do gardening. That is the level we should be at.
 
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How the tide has turned. I remember when there used to be a kick off on the Jack Monroe threads when someone failed to call her "they" 😂.
It used to amuse me when posters said Jack was jumping on the bandwagon and co-opting a non-binary identity because she was an attention seeker and narcissistic. Umm… so is everyone else who identifies as non-binary?
 
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