Gender Discussion 109

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

This is how the BBC are choosing to report the Darlington nurses’ victory: as a ‘trans’ changing room case, rather than a FEMALE changing room violation.

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Quoting myself to add that I’ve submitted a complaint, as follows:

The headline for this article states that it was a ‘trans changing room tribunal’. This is intentionally misleading. The case related to a trans-identified biological male using the female changing room. There is no ‘trans changing room’ at that hospital. If there was, female nurses would not have raised concerns about a biologically male person accessing the female (i.e. single sex) changing room.
You know this. Everyone who has followed the case knows this, but you intentionally published the article under an inaccurate headline. Why?

Let’s see if they deign to grace me with anything other than a boilerplate response.

 

[maytoseptember]

Apropos of nothing (this is a lie ) can I just say how jarring it is, to encounter people outside of the Gender threads, who refuse to accept that men and women aren’t exactly the same, and don’t have exactly the same instincts and drivers throughout their lives, and don’t have exactly the same propensity to violence or crime? And when you try to point this out, they are confused and rather horror struck?

As you were.

 

[NeverEnough]

I wonder how much medication this would have funded? How many extra nurses? All for one man’s delusion.

 

[Vanelope]

There are those who practice Islam who don’t cover their face or hair at all. It’s a very specific form that mandates the full coverage and it’s from cultures that despise women, we should not allow it in the UK or kids to wear it in schools it is not compatible with our values of equal rights for women. That is an equal right to be seen and heard and valued. Not to be hidden away.

Also agree that the idea that they must cover to not tempt the men just implies that men in those cultures are basically criminals who have to be stopped.

 

[petitspois]

A family just walked past. Dad in jeans and a t shirt, children dressed appropriately for summer and a woman completely covered with only a slit to see out of. She didn’t even look human. It’s abhorrent. He was basically taking his slave out.

 

[Funny_bunny]

I wonder how much medication this would have funded? How many extra nurses? All for one man’s delusion.

What makes it even worse is when you add up the total between the Darlington nurses and Sandie Peggie. All because of two deluded males who wished to inflict their fetish on unwilling women. What really sickens me is the NHS pretending that they don’t know that both “Rose” and Upton were men. If health care providers don’t know the biological difference between make and female, then heaven help us. Of course, it’s all about supporting the most unscientific, senseless load of male centred ideology, at the expense of the discomfort of women.

 

[Dinate]

I hope that the rest of the NHS and other public bodies are taking note.

 

[Nettynoo]

And it used to be pushed as 'Oh, the girls never have to do it until puberty', then big surprise, the slow creep of 'Or primary school...or toddlers'.
(I also notice literally every time there's a kids news report - we used to watch Newsround every day at my old job - they have a girl in a hijab in shot or interviewed, even if it's like, that place in the Highlands with 3 people.)
I saw a little girl the other day, could not have been more than 3, in hijab. Big brother in shorts and a tee shirt, of course.

It makes me sick that the females have to cover up so the males don’t have ‘impure’ thoughts. Anyone having impure thoughts about a 3 year old needs stringing up!

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

TiM Watch.
I've accidentally come to London and it's hotter than sun. In the Natural History Museum, bloke must be about 6'3". Very good looking in that I-was-blessed-with-good-bone-structure-and-wearing-a-lot-of-make-up way) wearing a see through nylon top with no bra and his little oestrogen tits on display and a g-string pulled up above the top of his trousers

 

[catsandsoup]

It makes me sick that the females have to cover up so the males don’t have ‘impure’ thoughts. Anyone having impure thoughts about a 3 year old needs stringing up!

And again, its that mission creep of 'choice' for children, you'll get defenders of it claiming its the child's choice (sometimes to disguise abuse, like Sara Sharif's dad) or they want to look like mummy, just another way modern society erodes protections for children by claiming they're practicing autonomy making choices.

(See also: kids being mutilated by 'gender affirming medicine', people like Peter Tatchell claiming kids can enjoy and consent to sex, and the grooming scandal where the girls were told they 'consented' when some didn't even understand the word.)

 

[maytoseptember]

Badenoch and the Conservatives being portrayed as the party that will sort this nonsense out and the party of women is laughable, this wave of nonsense came through under Tory rule and they did fuck all to protect us then!

Badenoch has always been staunchly against this (meeting Keira Bell when she was women and equalities minister, against the advice of civil servants IIRC) even if the Tories have been weak on the issue.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

watching some of the interviews with the house of the dragon cast, and the main actress Emma D'Arcy refers to herself as "they/them" and is a " a trans-masc presenting person" (wtf lol) and it's so strange watching the cast refer to her as they/them etc, you can tell they're really having to think about it at times to ensure they say the "right" thing. I'm sure if one slip up occurs all woke hell breaks loose.

these people just don't have real problems.

Emma D’Arcy is an uber privileged privately and Oxford educated woman with nearly a million in the company she co owns with her long term boyfriend.
She very much doesn’t have real problems

 

[IcanSpellBéchamel]

This is how the BBC are choosing to report the Darlington nurses’ victory: as a ‘trans’ changing room case, rather than a FEMALE changing room violation.

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I've complained to the BBC about the headline on the article being fundamentally misleading - the point of the complaint and the tribunal was that it was a female changing room, not a "trans changing room".

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Saw couple walking in street last week, looked Pakistani/Bangladeshi. Male was striding up street, female (covered up) was walking at least ten feet behind him.

I helped my friend's mum out with a charity garage sale a few years ago, her next door neighbour wasn't allowed to just pop over and browse without a male so she had to wait until her 10 year old son got home.
It's not my business how other people live but what kind of a life is that?

 

[Notworthy]

Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but the Conserevatives forced a vote on the puberty blocker trial last night and lost heavily. There is a list on X naming all the Labour MPs that voted for the trial to go ahead. Probably on on the parliament site with the names of all the MPs from all parties.

ETA
Opposition Day: Puberty blockers - Commons' votes in Parliament - UK Parliament

3 brave Labour MPs joined the Conservatives and 1 Lib Dem.

 

[KYLIE]

watching some of the interviews with the house of the dragon cast, and the main actress Emma D'Arcy refers to herself as "they/them" and is a " a trans-masc presenting person" (wtf lol) and it's so strange watching the cast refer to her as they/them etc, you can tell they're really having to think about it at times to ensure they say the "right" thing. I'm sure if one slip up occurs all woke hell breaks loose.

these people just don't have real problems.

 

[emmer_moans]

That drives me mental.

And the layers of clothing are usually clearly polyester too makes me feel ill just thinking about it. I live in a multicultural city so see this a lot. The other day a lady was wearing the full outfit and her dress layer covered trousers which poked out at ankle length, which looked to be thick material. Meanwhile I was swooning from the heat on the way back from the shop in my loose white cotton blouse.




And influencer (rich) female muslims on Instagram often say "but it's my choice"....is it though, when you have your whole family and culture with expectations feeding into your decision and non compliance will cause you having to justify/explain if you don't dress that way? That's a lot of peer pressure.

The message it sends girls seeing their mum dressing head to toe in black polyester in the summmer

 

[Metropolis]

Any mums of babies/toddlers might want to add Silver Cross to the boycott list. Of all brands, you’d think this would be one that centred women (or just stayed out of the trans madness altogether). But no, they had to platform TIM Hannah Graf talking about his journey to ‘trans parenthood’ and use of a surrogate to procure a baby.

“I must admit there were times when I struggled. We would attend medical appointments where I felt surplus, the doctors addressing Laura (surrogate) and Jake (TIF and egg donor) and ignoring me, unsure of my place in it all. Unable to carry our baby as most women do, I had concerns that my maternal instincts might not kick in and that the lack of biological connection might make it harder for me to bond. I also remember attending NCT classes where I sat, bumpless and listened to the importance of breastfeeding and birthing plans, once again feeling somewhat inadequate. Largely though, it was a time of huge excitement and joy.”

It’s almost as if the doctors knew who the women were. Funny that.

“For a very long time I was resigned to being alone, never finding love and certainly never being a mother and so to all those other parents-to-be who aren’t there yet, we say ‘never give up hope’. You never quite know what’s just around the corner.”

Hannah Graf on Transgender Motherhood | Silver Cross UK

Read retired Army captain and transgender mother, Hannah Graf's journey to parenthood through surrogacy and the pandemic.

www.silvercrossbaby.com

Right at the bottom of the article, there is a link to their most recent piece, ‘Is your breastfed baby getting enough milk?’. I clicked on it, and there’s no mention of the words woman, women or mother. Just ‘parents’.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Don't have nightmares out there
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Well which of us “ladies” hasn’t donned a Pepto-Bismol-coloured synthetic toilet roll cover and done a curtesy next to some scaffolding?

(But remember: it’s not a mental illness. It’s not a fetish)