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They are so deluded. Obviously male, bloody unattractive and all they are obsessed with is “being hit on”, like that’s all that being a woman is about.
I don't blame them.

I've never met him, but feel the urge to hit him myself.
 
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I agreee @TheMiceInTheShed but we TERF’s wouldn’t hit anyone we are gentle folk we don’t go around threatening folk with chants and placards and pissing everywhere no sire. 😂🦕💚🤍💜
No - obviously I wouldn't ever give in to that urge but would just laugh uproariously use my words to tell him how stunning and brave he was, and offer him a tampon.

I might even suggest where to shove it. 😂🦕💚🤍💜. Us Wimmins are helpful like that. ;)
 
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Interesting article in the Washington Post about Nuns who run a hospice suing New York State because of new legislation requiring them to use preferred pronouns and undergo cultural competency training

Nobody has complained, they've never had a problem in the almost 130 years they've being caring for end-of-life cancer patients yet some biatch has got her knickers in twist and is willing to take their NON government funds from them in the shape of fines over something that hasn't happened?
Time for this tit to just stop.
 
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Nobody has complained, they've never had a problem in the almost 130 years they've being caring for end-of-life cancer patients yet some biatch has got her knickers in twist and is willing to take their NON government funds from them in the shape of fines over something that hasn't happened?
Time for this tit to just stop.
You'd have to wonder about the Democratic party in the US, do they not remember Kamala is for they/them ad working so well?
 
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And the layers of clothing are usually clearly polyester too 🥵 makes me feel ill just thinking about it. I live in a multicultural city so see this a lot. The other day a lady was wearing the full outfit and her dress layer covered trousers which poked out at ankle length, which looked to be thick material. Meanwhile I was swooning from the heat on the way back from the shop in my loose white cotton blouse.


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And influencer (rich) female muslims on Instagram often say "but it's my choice"....is it though, when you have your whole family and culture with expectations feeding into your decision and non compliance will cause you having to justify/explain if you don't dress that way? That's a lot of peer pressure.

The message it sends girls seeing their mum dressing head to toe in black polyester in the summmer 😫
I find it so sad. I worked with a beautiful muslim girl who didn’t wear a headscarf and always wore beautiful bright clothes and hair and makeup looked amazing always! Then she got engaged to a much older man - she was 20 and he was early 30s and she told me he kept telling her she needs to wear a head scarf once they’re married but she was refusing to as she loved doing her hair etc.

I left the company and a couple years ago she added me on instagram…. She now wears a full black headscarf that covers her hair and neck, and her clothes are so plain and often black.

It makes me sad knowing how bright and happy she was before she married him, and seeing what he turned her into after relentless pressure to be the perfect Muslim wife (I assume)
 
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Someone has gone off on one and posted in Mumsnet site stuff about ‘transphobia’ on the feminism board :rolleyes:
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Well, if anything is “mad” it’s bloody gender ideology and pretending the impossible is reality. What form does this “transphobia” take anyway? Saying trans women are men,
people cannot change sex, or they don’t want TIM in women’s in women’s only spaces
 
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I find it so sad. I worked with a beautiful muslim girl who didn’t wear a headscarf and always wore beautiful bright clothes and hair and makeup looked amazing always! Then she got engaged to a much older man - she was 20 and he was early 30s and she told me he kept telling her she needs to wear a head scarf once they’re married but she was refusing to as she loved doing her hair etc.

I left the company and a couple years ago she added me on instagram…. She now wears a full black headscarf that covers her hair and neck, and her clothes are so plain and often black.

It makes me sad knowing how bright and happy she was before she married him, and seeing what he turned her into after relentless pressure to be the perfect Muslim wife (I assume)
That's so sad 😢 Quite literally she's gone from bright and colourful to her husband's black/grey shadow 😔
I wonder how many are tricked by fiances into believing they won't be that strict etc and once married all the rules come into force 😢
 
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Well, if anything is “mad” it’s bloody gender ideology and pretending the impossible is reality. What form does this “transphobia” take anyway? Saying trans women are men,
people cannot change sex, or they don’t want TIM in women’s in women’s only spaces
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” — George Orwell
 
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Helen Webberley's utter car crash of an interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer this morning.

Really is utterly 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ to watch.

'I don't sell puberty blockers to kids'

No, but she certainly hands them out like sweets to confused kids - through her 'GenderGP' service.

Thinks it is acceptable that children as young as four are given puberty blockers.

The woman really is utterly bonkers.
 
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I need to vent, and I also need some advice...it's long, sorry.

My granddaughter was staying with us over the weekend. She's 16, ADHD, strongly suspected to be autistic (not had a formal autism assessment yet, but the school think she is, as does her GP, along with her family). She is extremely suggestible, she will fixate on something or someone, and this will occupy most of her waking thoughts. She's a lovely kid, a very talented artist but she does struggle with "fitting-in" and with the normal teenage social relationships, which as we all know, can be a minefield at the best of times.
She's insisted that she is "bisexual" for ages, although most of her crushes are men (for context, her mum is gay and has a long-term partner) and tend to be middle-aged men. She has also had fixations on teachers, although, like all of her crushes, these come and go. She has a history of risky behaviour, she's not allowed a smartphone because she's been caught messaging boys/men and sending them photos etc, she just doesn't seem to grasp the consequences of such behaviour.

We've been out at the weekend and she's been talking non-stop about this teaching assistant at school. About how he's so lovely and caring, about how he's having trouble with his landlord and is having to move, about how he likes this band or that film, on and on. Eventually, she discloses that "Sir" is a TIF. No issue with that, I try to keep my more extreme views to myself, but I said, "Oh, that's a bit sad, those people often have a difficult life, and some mental health issues, I hope it works out ok for him" (because I'm not going to pretend that it's a normal thing!)
As the day goes on, she tells me how "Sir" has had top surgery (me: "you mean a double masectomy") but isn't planning to have bottom surgery because he doesn't want a "micropenis". She then helpfully informed me that the hormones help the clitotis to grow into a pen but it isn't very big. I did give her a bit more info about "bottom surgery" and how it's almost always unsuccessful, with hideous complications, but she then started on about how "most transmen use packers".

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm absolutely outraged that a TA in a position of authority is talking about her medical transition to suggestible teenage girls who are supposedly under her care. I've spoken to her mum, who is horrified and has disclosed that my granddaughter has been talking about wanting a binder and "wants to be a boy". This has come up a few times over the years, she has a "trans" friend, who looks exactly like she did before she was trans, and almost every girl in her school identifies as NB or one of the other rainbow letters, we had a long talk a whole back about how being a girl sucks but that it gets better and you just learn to deal with it, because women don't have a choice, etc.

Her mum isn't going to let any of this nonsense take hold if she can possibly help it, but we want this TA to be told to keep her trap shut. Her pupils do not need to know her medical history, nor do they need indoctrination into the trans cause. I'm honestly flabbergasted that a TA would even consider speaking about this, but when I said this to GD, she said it's a "trust thing", and that the teacher tells you about her issues so that you can tell her about yours. This sounds quite sinister to me, but what do I know?

We need to be careful, my GD can be a liar. However, this TA has written articles all over the "queer" internet about her trans journey, but I can't find anything which details her surgery, just vague stuff about how "freeing" it was, etc, etc. We're pretty sure that she is talking to young girls about it, but we're not sure how to raise concerns without coming across as troublemakers. (I personally don't give a tit, but my daughter has enough judgement as a les single parent of a "difficult" kid)
I know that the education sector is generally in thrall to the holy grail of trans, but I don't feel that any teacher should be talking to pupils about their medical conditions anyway, imagine a male teacher telling teenage girls about his prostate surgery, or a woman telling 12 year old boys about her smear test...they don't need to know!! 😡
Not really sure where to go from here...
 
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@klarakluckbag sorry no idea how to help you but sending love and support in your quest to get help for your granddaughter and hope that it gets sorted ❤🫂🦕💚🤍💜
 
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Maybe don't connect it to trans identity at all bit just "discussing surgery and medical issues which seems to become something vulnerable GD obsesses over and becomes fixated on"? My daughter works with children and young people and you're not supposed to discuss your private business outside of school with them.
 
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I need to vent, and I also need some advice...it's long, sorry.

My granddaughter was staying with us over the weekend. She's 16, ADHD, strongly suspected to be autistic (not had a formal autism assessment yet, but the school think she is, as does her GP, along with her family). She is extremely suggestible, she will fixate on something or someone, and this will occupy most of her waking thoughts. She's a lovely kid, a very talented artist but she does struggle with "fitting-in" and with the normal teenage social relationships, which as we all know, can be a minefield at the best of times.
She's insisted that she is "bisexual" for ages, although most of her crushes are men (for context, her mum is gay and has a long-term partner) and tend to be middle-aged men. She has also had fixations on teachers, although, like all of her crushes, these come and go. She has a history of risky behaviour, she's not allowed a smartphone because she's been caught messaging boys/men and sending them photos etc, she just doesn't seem to grasp the consequences of such behaviour.

We've been out at the weekend and she's been talking non-stop about this teaching assistant at school. About how he's so lovely and caring, about how he's having trouble with his landlord and is having to move, about how he likes this band or that film, on and on. Eventually, she discloses that "Sir" is a TIF. No issue with that, I try to keep my more extreme views to myself, but I said, "Oh, that's a bit sad, those people often have a difficult life, and some mental health issues, I hope it works out ok for him" (because I'm not going to pretend that it's a normal thing!)
As the day goes on, she tells me how "Sir" has had top surgery (me: "you mean a double masectomy") but isn't planning to have bottom surgery because he doesn't want a "micropenis". She then helpfully informed me that the hormones help the clitotis to grow into a pen but it isn't very big. I did give her a bit more info about "bottom surgery" and how it's almost always unsuccessful, with hideous complications, but she then started on about how "most transmen use packers".

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm absolutely outraged that a TA in a position of authority is talking about her medical transition to suggestible teenage girls who are supposedly under her care. I've spoken to her mum, who is horrified and has disclosed that my granddaughter has been talking about wanting a binder and "wants to be a boy". This has come up a few times over the years, she has a "trans" friend, who looks exactly like she did before she was trans, and almost every girl in her school identifies as NB or one of the other rainbow letters, we had a long talk a whole back about how being a girl sucks but that it gets better and you just learn to deal with it, because women don't have a choice, etc.

Her mum isn't going to let any of this nonsense take hold if she can possibly help it, but we want this TA to be told to keep her trap shut. Her pupils do not need to know her medical history, nor do they need indoctrination into the trans cause. I'm honestly flabbergasted that a TA would even consider speaking about this, but when I said this to GD, she said it's a "trust thing", and that the teacher tells you about her issues so that you can tell her about yours. This sounds quite sinister to me, but what do I know?

We need to be careful, my GD can be a liar. However, this TA has written articles all over the "queer" internet about her trans journey, but I can't find anything which details her surgery, just vague stuff about how "freeing" it was, etc, etc. We're pretty sure that she is talking to young girls about it, but we're not sure how to raise concerns without coming across as troublemakers. (I personally don't give a tit, but my daughter has enough judgement as a les single parent of a "difficult" kid)
I know that the education sector is generally in thrall to the holy grail of trans, but I don't feel that any teacher should be talking to pupils about their medical conditions anyway, imagine a male teacher telling teenage girls about his prostate surgery, or a woman telling 12 year old boys about her smear test...they don't need to know!! 😡
Not really sure where to go from here...
I'll start by saying that I'm retired and have been out of the education field for a long time so may be out of touch.

There was NO WAY that we ever discussed our private lives in this way with children. I think it's inappropriate that the TA has disclosed that she's having difficulty with her landlord, never mind all the medical details (which she absolutely should not have done).

The "trust" statement sounds downright creepy to me. Why should a TA be inviting discussions about "issues"? What is her role I wonder?

I agree with @Sweetcouchpotato to make any complaint general, that the TA is being too open about her personal life and this is causing granddaughter to worry about her and fixate on her problems and surgeries.
 
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Maybe don't connect it to trans identity at all bit just "discussing surgery and medical issues which seems to become something vulnerable GD obsesses over and becomes fixated on"? My daughter works with children and young people and you're not supposed to discuss your private business outside of school with them.
I think this is the way to go @klarakluckbag

Hope it gets nipped in the bud. Awful to think of kids being exposed to that dangerous nonsense. Totally unprofessional as well. Just picked up on the 'trust' bit - that's appalling. 😡
 
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I need to vent, and I also need some advice...it's long, sorry.

My granddaughter was staying with us over the weekend. She's 16, ADHD, strongly suspected to be autistic (not had a formal autism assessment yet, but the school think she is, as does her GP, along with her family). She is extremely suggestible, she will fixate on something or someone, and this will occupy most of her waking thoughts. She's a lovely kid, a very talented artist but she does struggle with "fitting-in" and with the normal teenage social relationships, which as we all know, can be a minefield at the best of times.
She's insisted that she is "bisexual" for ages, although most of her crushes are men (for context, her mum is gay and has a long-term partner) and tend to be middle-aged men. She has also had fixations on teachers, although, like all of her crushes, these come and go. She has a history of risky behaviour, she's not allowed a smartphone because she's been caught messaging boys/men and sending them photos etc, she just doesn't seem to grasp the consequences of such behaviour.

We've been out at the weekend and she's been talking non-stop about this teaching assistant at school. About how he's so lovely and caring, about how he's having trouble with his landlord and is having to move, about how he likes this band or that film, on and on. Eventually, she discloses that "Sir" is a TIF. No issue with that, I try to keep my more extreme views to myself, but I said, "Oh, that's a bit sad, those people often have a difficult life, and some mental health issues, I hope it works out ok for him" (because I'm not going to pretend that it's a normal thing!)
As the day goes on, she tells me how "Sir" has had top surgery (me: "you mean a double masectomy") but isn't planning to have bottom surgery because he doesn't want a "micropenis". She then helpfully informed me that the hormones help the clitotis to grow into a pen but it isn't very big. I did give her a bit more info about "bottom surgery" and how it's almost always unsuccessful, with hideous complications, but she then started on about how "most transmen use packers".

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm absolutely outraged that a TA in a position of authority is talking about her medical transition to suggestible teenage girls who are supposedly under her care. I've spoken to her mum, who is horrified and has disclosed that my granddaughter has been talking about wanting a binder and "wants to be a boy". This has come up a few times over the years, she has a "trans" friend, who looks exactly like she did before she was trans, and almost every girl in her school identifies as NB or one of the other rainbow letters, we had a long talk a whole back about how being a girl sucks but that it gets better and you just learn to deal with it, because women don't have a choice, etc.

Her mum isn't going to let any of this nonsense take hold if she can possibly help it, but we want this TA to be told to keep her trap shut. Her pupils do not need to know her medical history, nor do they need indoctrination into the trans cause. I'm honestly flabbergasted that a TA would even consider speaking about this, but when I said this to GD, she said it's a "trust thing", and that the teacher tells you about her issues so that you can tell her about yours. This sounds quite sinister to me, but what do I know?

We need to be careful, my GD can be a liar. However, this TA has written articles all over the "queer" internet about her trans journey, but I can't find anything which details her surgery, just vague stuff about how "freeing" it was, etc, etc. We're pretty sure that she is talking to young girls about it, but we're not sure how to raise concerns without coming across as troublemakers. (I personally don't give a tit, but my daughter has enough judgement as a les single parent of a "difficult" kid)
I know that the education sector is generally in thrall to the holy grail of trans, but I don't feel that any teacher should be talking to pupils about their medical conditions anyway, imagine a male teacher telling teenage girls about his prostate surgery, or a woman telling 12 year old boys about her smear test...they don't need to know!! 😡
Not really sure where to go from here...
To misquote the west wing, one big word not two words…

safeguarding

add a few others…. Report to Ofsted

this is entirely inappropriate, massive safeguarding risk and completely against all rules about talking to children. This is in a school?!?!?!!?

write your concerns to the Head, and say if you have no response in a week you will report to the governors and ofsted for breach of safeguarding.

Make sure mum is on side and sends letter from her as she is parent. Or send as a family but the school will only talk to mum or dad.

Include your GD’ potential diagnosis, couch it as you want clarity to what she has been told, you don’t have to say she might have made it up, you can say she has said things that concern you and you want to know where the info came from as she has said it is from the TA. . Include all the inappropriate detail, the head will keep it confidential but they will need details to do any disciplinary.

the kids don’t need to know ANY personal info about teachers or TAs. It is all highly inappropriate for the school relationship and a breach of safeguarding to introduce ideas to vulnerable children.

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@klarakluckbag - nothing really helpful to add but might it help when your daughter approaches the school to couch it in terms of a male TA over stepping the mark with a vulnerable female student?
They might take it more seriously if you play along with the idea that this TA is a man. There's no way they'd not have an issue with a male member of staff sharing personal details with female students.
This situation has red flag and safeguarding all over it. Sorry for what your family are going through x
 
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I need to vent, and I also need some advice...it's long, sorry.

My granddaughter was staying with us over the weekend. She's 16, ADHD, strongly suspected to be autistic (not had a formal autism assessment yet, but the school think she is, as does her GP, along with her family). She is extremely suggestible, she will fixate on something or someone, and this will occupy most of her waking thoughts. She's a lovely kid, a very talented artist but she does struggle with "fitting-in" and with the normal teenage social relationships, which as we all know, can be a minefield at the best of times.
She's insisted that she is "bisexual" for ages, although most of her crushes are men (for context, her mum is gay and has a long-term partner) and tend to be middle-aged men. She has also had fixations on teachers, although, like all of her crushes, these come and go. She has a history of risky behaviour, she's not allowed a smartphone because she's been caught messaging boys/men and sending them photos etc, she just doesn't seem to grasp the consequences of such behaviour.

We've been out at the weekend and she's been talking non-stop about this teaching assistant at school. About how he's so lovely and caring, about how he's having trouble with his landlord and is having to move, about how he likes this band or that film, on and on. Eventually, she discloses that "Sir" is a TIF. No issue with that, I try to keep my more extreme views to myself, but I said, "Oh, that's a bit sad, those people often have a difficult life, and some mental health issues, I hope it works out ok for him" (because I'm not going to pretend that it's a normal thing!)
As the day goes on, she tells me how "Sir" has had top surgery (me: "you mean a double masectomy") but isn't planning to have bottom surgery because he doesn't want a "micropenis". She then helpfully informed me that the hormones help the clitotis to grow into a pen but it isn't very big. I did give her a bit more info about "bottom surgery" and how it's almost always unsuccessful, with hideous complications, but she then started on about how "most transmen use packers".

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm absolutely outraged that a TA in a position of authority is talking about her medical transition to suggestible teenage girls who are supposedly under her care. I've spoken to her mum, who is horrified and has disclosed that my granddaughter has been talking about wanting a binder and "wants to be a boy". This has come up a few times over the years, she has a "trans" friend, who looks exactly like she did before she was trans, and almost every girl in her school identifies as NB or one of the other rainbow letters, we had a long talk a whole back about how being a girl sucks but that it gets better and you just learn to deal with it, because women don't have a choice, etc.

Her mum isn't going to let any of this nonsense take hold if she can possibly help it, but we want this TA to be told to keep her trap shut. Her pupils do not need to know her medical history, nor do they need indoctrination into the trans cause. I'm honestly flabbergasted that a TA would even consider speaking about this, but when I said this to GD, she said it's a "trust thing", and that the teacher tells you about her issues so that you can tell her about yours. This sounds quite sinister to me, but what do I know?

We need to be careful, my GD can be a liar. However, this TA has written articles all over the "queer" internet about her trans journey, but I can't find anything which details her surgery, just vague stuff about how "freeing" it was, etc, etc. We're pretty sure that she is talking to young girls about it, but we're not sure how to raise concerns without coming across as troublemakers. (I personally don't give a tit, but my daughter has enough judgement as a les single parent of a "difficult" kid)
I know that the education sector is generally in thrall to the holy grail of trans, but I don't feel that any teacher should be talking to pupils about their medical conditions anyway, imagine a male teacher telling teenage girls about his prostate surgery, or a woman telling 12 year old boys about her smear test...they don't need to know!! 😡
Not really sure where to go from here...
ANY adult talking about their genitals to a child is a huge red flag - wtf is the world coming to
 
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I need to vent, and I also need some advice...it's long, sorry.

My granddaughter was staying with us over the weekend. She's 16, ADHD, strongly suspected to be autistic (not had a formal autism assessment yet, but the school think she is, as does her GP, along with her family). She is extremely suggestible, she will fixate on something or someone, and this will occupy most of her waking thoughts. She's a lovely kid, a very talented artist but she does struggle with "fitting-in" and with the normal teenage social relationships, which as we all know, can be a minefield at the best of times.
She's insisted that she is "bisexual" for ages, although most of her crushes are men (for context, her mum is gay and has a long-term partner) and tend to be middle-aged men. She has also had fixations on teachers, although, like all of her crushes, these come and go. She has a history of risky behaviour, she's not allowed a smartphone because she's been caught messaging boys/men and sending them photos etc, she just doesn't seem to grasp the consequences of such behaviour.

We've been out at the weekend and she's been talking non-stop about this teaching assistant at school. About how he's so lovely and caring, about how he's having trouble with his landlord and is having to move, about how he likes this band or that film, on and on. Eventually, she discloses that "Sir" is a TIF. No issue with that, I try to keep my more extreme views to myself, but I said, "Oh, that's a bit sad, those people often have a difficult life, and some mental health issues, I hope it works out ok for him" (because I'm not going to pretend that it's a normal thing!)
As the day goes on, she tells me how "Sir" has had top surgery (me: "you mean a double masectomy") but isn't planning to have bottom surgery because he doesn't want a "micropenis". She then helpfully informed me that the hormones help the clitotis to grow into a pen but it isn't very big. I did give her a bit more info about "bottom surgery" and how it's almost always unsuccessful, with hideous complications, but she then started on about how "most transmen use packers".

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm absolutely outraged that a TA in a position of authority is talking about her medical transition to suggestible teenage girls who are supposedly under her care. I've spoken to her mum, who is horrified and has disclosed that my granddaughter has been talking about wanting a binder and "wants to be a boy". This has come up a few times over the years, she has a "trans" friend, who looks exactly like she did before she was trans, and almost every girl in her school identifies as NB or one of the other rainbow letters, we had a long talk a whole back about how being a girl sucks but that it gets better and you just learn to deal with it, because women don't have a choice, etc.

Her mum isn't going to let any of this nonsense take hold if she can possibly help it, but we want this TA to be told to keep her trap shut. Her pupils do not need to know her medical history, nor do they need indoctrination into the trans cause. I'm honestly flabbergasted that a TA would even consider speaking about this, but when I said this to GD, she said it's a "trust thing", and that the teacher tells you about her issues so that you can tell her about yours. This sounds quite sinister to me, but what do I know?

We need to be careful, my GD can be a liar. However, this TA has written articles all over the "queer" internet about her trans journey, but I can't find anything which details her surgery, just vague stuff about how "freeing" it was, etc, etc. We're pretty sure that she is talking to young girls about it, but we're not sure how to raise concerns without coming across as troublemakers. (I personally don't give a tit, but my daughter has enough judgement as a les single parent of a "difficult" kid)
I know that the education sector is generally in thrall to the holy grail of trans, but I don't feel that any teacher should be talking to pupils about their medical conditions anyway, imagine a male teacher telling teenage girls about his prostate surgery, or a woman telling 12 year old boys about her smear test...they don't need to know!! 😡
Not really sure where to go from here...
Trans ideology stuff aside this TA should not be talking to pupils about landlord issues (personal ) and intimate healthcare issues (also personal) so they are crossing a line of familiarity, so maybe you can initially mention to the school that your granddaughter is being told chapter and verse about the TA's private concerns in general.

And then when appropriate, say there's concern about transition information being told to a vulnerable impressionable pupil which is outside of the remit of a TA anyway, as what has it got to do with her classes?!

Sorry you are going through this. It's so pervasive.
 
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