What if someone “has transitioned” and claims to be “living their life as a woman” but hasn’t taken any drugs or had any surgery? Who decides what the terms in quotes mean or necessitate?
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Are you in the UK? I have to say I am doubtful that an employer has mixed sex changing facilities
Do you think most trans identified men have had 'sex reassignment surgery'?
What exactly does transition mean anyway. Most are very fond of their roosters and have no intention of getting rid of them. Besides which, I’m not a castrated male - I’m a woman in my own right.
That is part of the concern that has been voiced by my colleagues as it happens.
It's a very complicated topic. As I said, I hold a different opinion from a lot of people on this thread, on some aspects of the subject which is why I don't partake in this particular thread.
I'm not interested in debating it further. I find it far too emotive for a variety of reasons related to my own life (some of which I have mentioned on different threads).
In response to the other poster - I'm not asking you to share your spaces. I don't make the laws. I'm simply a person, who, like you, holds an opinion. They just happen to be different opinions.
Yes, I'm in the UK. It isn't illegal, there are caveats within the ruling that was posted above.Are you in the UK? I have to say I am doubtful that an employer has mixed sex changing facilities
Do you think most trans identified men have had 'sex reassignment surgery'?
Completely baffled as to why you think I'd make something like that up.
I'm need more caffeine.
Agreed. Even if other women are comfortable, they don’t get to decide for those of us that aren’t.
I just wonder what it is that suddenly makes a man, who now says he’s a woman, safe and trustworthy? Is it because he said so? Is it because he put on a dress and some lippy?
Until this man said he was a woman, he was the same as any other man. So why do they suddenly feel comfortable with him?
Has this poster considered how she would feel if one of the blokes on Friday showed up identifying as a Woman on Monday, the exact situation that happened at Easyjet. This colleague went through training as a Male then showed up on the Monday as a 'Woman' and proceeded to use the Ladies bathrooms and sit with his legs wide open and his rooster and balls on show.
Where's the line they draw over which transwomen are acceptable and which are not.
I dunno, there's something weird about a company allowing a 'woman' to change in with all those men? Surely the men wouldn't be happy with it?
When I was in my 20s I was the first woman to work in a certain area of my company, I had to go through to the office to use the the loo as there was only men's available for the first year. Pretty sure none of us would've been happy for me to be using the men's toilet, convenient or not.
Something off with that story.
When I was in my 20s I was the first woman to work in a certain area of my company, I had to go through to the office to use the the loo as there was only men's available for the first year. Pretty sure none of us would've been happy for me to be using the men's toilet, convenient or not.
Something off with that story.
There's no longer any requirement to show commitment to living life as the opposite sex. We are told that we have to accept - without question - that if a man* says that he is really a woman, then he is a woman. And that gives him (according to the activists) the right to use women's single sex spaces. Even if on some days he "boymodes" and presents as a man, he is still, deep down, a woman.
*Or a woman claiming to really be a man, she really is a man etc.
Until the SC clarification of the law, any man could decide to "girlmode" that day and use women's single sex spaces. And this is a green light to the worst of men, the ones who absolutely shouldn't be anywhere near women's spaces.
The narrative that's pushed onto society is that all of these men are the same - vulnerable, "born in the wrong body" people, who should have been women but, by a cruel trick of nature, ended up as a man. We should be kind. We should be accepting. We should be protective. These men are simply a variation of women.
Single sex spaces exist for a reason. Safety is obviously extremely important, but there's also privacy, dignity and autonomy. Women deal with their reproductive health in ways that men don't have to. Some men have fetishes about this. Some men love to make women feel uncomfortable by their presence. Some men have a humiliation fetish. Women have the right to refuse to be an unwilling and unwitting part of someone else's kink.
But even if the man is vulnerable and poses no threat to women - he is still a man. he doesn't belong in women's spaces. He needs help and support elsewhere.
Rest of the umbrella poster.
*Or a woman claiming to really be a man, she really is a man etc.
Until the SC clarification of the law, any man could decide to "girlmode" that day and use women's single sex spaces. And this is a green light to the worst of men, the ones who absolutely shouldn't be anywhere near women's spaces.
The narrative that's pushed onto society is that all of these men are the same - vulnerable, "born in the wrong body" people, who should have been women but, by a cruel trick of nature, ended up as a man. We should be kind. We should be accepting. We should be protective. These men are simply a variation of women.
Single sex spaces exist for a reason. Safety is obviously extremely important, but there's also privacy, dignity and autonomy. Women deal with their reproductive health in ways that men don't have to. Some men have fetishes about this. Some men love to make women feel uncomfortable by their presence. Some men have a humiliation fetish. Women have the right to refuse to be an unwilling and unwitting part of someone else's kink.
But even if the man is vulnerable and poses no threat to women - he is still a man. he doesn't belong in women's spaces. He needs help and support elsewhere.
Rest of the umbrella poster.
“Some people may find her language challenging”. Do you know what I find challenging? The idea that some women have penises. That they are actually being serious about this.
That biological sex isn’t real
The whole concept of gender identity ideology.
But there’s never any apology or acknowledgment that some people may find gender ideology offensive.
We do not need a bloody trigger warning for a barrister simply stating UK law.
It's insanity.
This is from Sex Matters;
What does the law say?
Where employees need to wear special clothing for work and remove more than outer clothing, employers also need to provide single-sex changing rooms, which must be sufficiently large and include seating.
The Supreme Court judgment in For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers was crystal clear that any space designated single-sex is solely for the use of people of that sex. This is because in order for a space (or service) to be lawfully provided for one sex only, it must satisfy one of several criteria called the “single-sex exceptions” in the Equality Act. Roughly speaking, these criteria are various situations in which including people of the other sex would be inappropriate. If an employer designates a space as “single sex” and then states in its policies that certain people of the other sex can enter, then the space automatically fails to meet these criteria.
Whose job is it to enforce this?
Your employer
Your employer is responsible for complying with the law. No individual employee should have to request that it do so, nor should anyone have to challenge someone using the wrong facilities.
It is not enough for employers to provide men’s and women’s toilets or changing rooms. They must also ensure that the rules for use are clear and complied with by everyone.
I just listened to salmam Rushdie on desert island discs. He was (obviously) talking about the Satanic Verses and I was very struck by the parallels between muslim fundamentalists and TRAs. As he said, if you don’t like a book, don’t read it. He also said that the kid who tried to kill him hadn‘t read the book, just a couple of pages and watched Rushdie on YouTube.
I bet any money that none of those mats who signed the letter supporting the Scottish librarians have read Woemn Who Wouldn’t Wheesht either
I bet any money that none of those mats who signed the letter supporting the Scottish librarians have read Woemn Who Wouldn’t Wheesht either
Although I amWhy do those responses sound very much like angry men saying the woman doesn't have the skill?Imagine being so handmaiden and evil that you trans kids and butcher them and not even the 'trans' want you as their spokesperson. What a punch in the gut for her
at the 'fascist' comments by some of the idiots replying to Webberly.There are plenty of individuals on the left of politics whom think this is all nonsense.
Maybe they should look in the mirror regarding 'fascist', they certainly are coming across that way with their Pro Trans views.
No debate, no opposing views, abuse and threats of violence towards those who do not agree with pro-Trans.
I’m sorry it is a difficult topic for you. It is for many of us here too. We all care very deeply about the safety of women and children, which is what all of this is really about. Many of us have been punished in our own lives for staying true to these values, or have been harmed as a result of the blurring of the boundaries over the last 10/15 years, which is why it bristles when others use “transwomen” to other themselves from the rest of us horrible, old meanies. Evolutionary pressure drives women to constantly complete with each other in all kinds of nefarious ways, yet we have managed to create a genuinely supportive and reflective space here where we don’t have to. Stick around and you might see we’re not the terrible beasties you think we are.
Please define living as a woman.
If it’s too dangerous for them to be in the same building as that book, then obviously they could not physically pick it up and read it - imagine the devastation!
I was watching a takedown of 'Lily' Tino, as soon as a waiter called him sir he automatically said "I don't feel safe here."
It's like he (Tino) didn't even think, it just came out of his mouth. Big fan that he is.
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