What if the trans person still had intact male genitals? That would make me deeply uncomfortable.
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NHS puberty blocker trial to ask children if they are ‘two spirit’
archived 27 Nov 2025 23:31:49 UTC
"It has now emerged in the clinical protocol for the study that the children will be asked to complete a gender identity questionnaire. “In this measure, gender identity is defined as someone’s internal sense of self,” the document explains.
The children will be asked “what best describes” their gender identity and given a series of options to tick including “definitely” a boy or girl, “mainly” a boy or girl, “neither a boy or girl”, “not sure” and “none of the above”.
In addition, those over 12 years old will be asked about “gender identity labels” and again given a range of descriptions to tick.
These include “cisgender”, “transgender”, “non-binary”, “agender”, “genderfluid”, “genderqueer”, “two spirit” and “other”.
Gender-critical health practitioners said it showed that the study was already displaying a bias towards “gender affirmatory ideology”.
Dr Louise Irvine, a GP and co-chairman of the Clinical Advisory Network on Sex and Gender, a group of clinicians concerned about the rise of gender ideology in healthcare, said that the “labels” being presented to children were ideological in themselves.
She said: “It’s absolutely ridiculous. It shows that the whole trial is imbued with gender affirmatory ideology. What this question will do is reinforce the ideology in the eyes of the children.
“They shouldn’t make any suggestions — the question should just be open. The questionnaire should be as neutral as possible because a scientific trial should be neutral, not ideological.”
Irvine was particularly scathing of the use of the term “two spirit” in the questionnaire.
This phrase is considered a contemporary umbrella term for indigenous North Americans who identify as having both a masculine and a feminine spirit, fulfilling a third gender role in their communities.
It was coined in 1990 at a Native American gay and les conference in Winnipeg, Canada, and has since entered LGBT vernacular.
“It will be confusing and most kids won’t even know what it means,” Irvine said.
“Questions should also be clear and clearly understood, so the study fails in that respect.”
Sue Evans, a psychotherapist and former clinical nurse specialist at the now defunct Tavistock children’s gender identity clinic (Gids), agreed that the use of the term “two spirit” in the study smacked of gender ideology.
She said: “The two spirit child idea is traditionally a Native American one where a child is raised in a non-gendered way.
“This idea has been transferred in an ideological way and one has to ask the relevance of this question here in the UK NHS study.”"
I read the comments and just laughed, it's not Helen Webberley* that's the problem, it's the argument. There is literally no one that could present any coherent reasoning that would have anyone with an average IQ and any semblance of humanity say 'Oh yes, putting kids on puberty blockers is a really good idea'
I thought my first post on this thread would be a second wave polemic but instead, I want to mock dangerous Helen Webberley for receiving this criticism in regards to her recent interviews and debates.
‚…you DO NOT have the rhetorical and tactical skill to do this.‘
What a burn!
*Obviously Helen Webberley and others like her are a danger to society.
Why would you be comfortable sharing a space with a Man when you've already stated that you don't want to get semi naked with the blokes, or do you mean a Transman ie a Woman pretending to be a Man.
Why do those responses sound very much like angry men saying the woman doesn't have the skill?
I mean in this case, she doesn't, but the wording of the replies... Very male. She has made the lady dique havers angry and embarrassed 
Imagine being so handmaiden and evil that you trans kids and butcher them and not even the 'trans' want you as their spokesperson. What a punch in the gut for her 
EXACTLY!
And they know it.
This is why - "NO DEBATE" and "I FEEL UNSAFE IN THE SAME HEMISPHERE WITH THIS TRANSPHOBE" and "THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL. I'M NOT ENGAGING WITH YOU" - has been all of their argument so far.
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Who knew Helen Webberley would be the person to unite two opposing sides?!
If Cass is part of this puberty blockers trial and it ends up being pulled then surely that’s more ammunition for the people that want to undermine the whole report? They’ll just pause for a while then come back again with a different tactic to try to mutilate kids and shut women up.
A trans woman is a man.
What is it about the “transwoman” that makes you feel comfortable to share a space with them vs a “bloke” where you wouldn’t?
Fair play to Nick Wallis
Ha! Next up she'll say this is a great outcome.
I missed the post. Where has it gone?
I know the question wasn't addressed to me, but transwomen are men, so I don't want them in my private spaces.
The discussion was originally in the last Secret Celebrity Gossip thread but was moved to here.
I think the post above clarifies that it is illegal as it's not just toilets, it's changing facilities.
This has blown my mind. How can any place of work deem this acceptable? Are you in a union? I don't know who I'd report this to, but it needs reporting.
Even besides the issue of how women feel about getting undressed in the proximity of men, it is in the interests of male employees to push for sex-segregated changing spaces, as this has the potential for a man to be accused (whether accurately, mistakenly or vexatiously) of inappropriate behaviour.
Because my view is that if someone has transitioned and is living their life as a woman, then I'm happy to accept them as female.
That's just my opinion. I'm not particularly interested in having a discussion about it (I don't view this thread usually, I've only ended up here because the post was moved because the topic fitted better here) and I'm not asking people who feel differently to change their minds.
What do you call 'transitioned'?
You're not asking us to change our minds, but you do want us to share our spaces!
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