Gary Lineker

Professor Yaffle · Mar 11, 2023

Gym&Tonic said:
I’m working class and don’t feel impacted by mass immigration. I’m far more worried about the dire state of the NHS, the cost of living and the fact our public services are crumbling around us and I think that’s true of most people. This has been a very convenient ‘dead cat’ story for the government.

Count yourself lucky that you are not impacted by the 'mass immigration'. If you were refused treatment at an NHS hospital and given the reason that there were a 100 immigrants just off the dinghies being treated before you, it may be a different story. Similiarly when a wedding or celebration at a hotel is cancelled due to the four star Hilton being closed due to it being taken over by the government for immigrants.

All public services are affected when the country has this amount of extra people needing the resources, processing is costing £7 million per day. Everybody is impacted indirectly by this so called 'dead cat' story, so don't expect the government to be able to afford increased wages and more resources when finances are being stretched already.

Not against immigration for these people at all, there must be some harsh stories regading their plight to get here.

esmee · Mar 11, 2023

Jaynefnw said:
He took one maybe two who would have been heavily vetted before they handed him them, the ones arriving and being housed in local hotels aren't, believe me my son works amongst these arrivals.

Not true my son works with them they do receive NHS treatment, they all have twice a week GP clinics at the hotels, dentist appointments within 24hrs if they ask to see one. Alot work cash in hand, although it's against the rules but they can't be challenged about it, they also get £40 a week spending money which goes up the longer they are at the hotels. Free phone on arrival . And a lot more that isn't being reported on.

This is just misinformation and the kind of thing the government wants everyone to believe. I deal with a lot of asylum seekers and refugees and they don't receive £40+ a week in hotels, it's maximum £7 regardless of how long they have been there.
Yes they have access to NHS and dentists but they have to wait the same as everyone else there's no VIP, if a hotel has a GP visiting that's an arrangement they've made themselves it's definitely not all.
Some will work illegally which I don't agree with but if found it can affect their asylum claim and the HO has ability to raid businesses it suspects of using illegal workforce. Once someone has been seeking asylum for more than a year without any answer (which is a massive issue in itself, some people have been waiting 2-3 years for a decision meaning more pressure on resources when they could possibly be working and contributing to society) they can ask for work permission which is a lottery on who is given this, but they can only do work which is on the shortage list most of which is highly skilled work making the whole thing pointless, especially when there are low skilled jobs they could be doing and if people are working illegally willing to.
They are not given free phones upon arrival, there was recently an issue where the HO had illegally confiscated phones and personal items people had arrived with, phones which was the only way they could let loved ones know they were safe. Any phones, clothes etc. they get via charities.

Of course there will be people who abuse the system but the system is an absolute joke which is how the government wants it as it makes it easier to blame asylum seekers for their failures, the same way it used to be those on benefits they would blame, single mothers etc. anyone who it's easy to look down on and attack.

EnjoyingTheShow · Mar 11, 2023

Jen667 said:
If Lineker leaves MOTD permanently and his job becomes available I think his comrades might quickly forget their solidarity.

Couldn’t agree more, especially if one of them gets offered ££ to be his replacement! You’re only as loyal as your next pay cheque!

Said my piece earlier on in this thread.

Cancel him right out of England please. He can go sun himself with his idiot Bruv in Ibiza.

bubbadabut · Mar 11, 2023

PurvyPanda said:
What I don't understand about these celebrity people is their determination to see things in black and white.

There is no doubt when you are referring to those people who have been displaced and are fleeing war torn countries, or countries with corrupt governments who control their populous by fear and violence, that we would gladly look after them, but in amongst those people are opportunists, petty criminals, hardened criminals, gang lords, economic migrants and extremists. To ignore this reality is endangering lives and turning communities into ghettos.
I have worked for a local authority. The housing crisis means homeless single mothers are living in hostels with drug addicts. They will not be treated as a priority when the country keeps inviting people here under false pretence. We do not have the means to look after them sufficiently.
There is no hope for those born here and living here who rely on public services, as they are stretched to breaking point. Not something you need to worry about when you have millions in the bank. If some of these celebrities took a more balance overall view, rather than dismissing and trivialising people's genuine (and justified) concerns, then we could find some common ground and make some progress. As it stands Gary Lineker and his ilk is not progressive - they are wilfully ignorant, and arrogant.

This. I also work for a local authority and have recently been moved from my usual post to working on the homeless team. I can say for a fact that 4 star hotels have been taken over (could provide a link to the Trip Advisor pages of all the local hotels, full of 1 star reviews of people who've had their wedding/event cancelled, but I dont want to reveal my location). What I will say is that we are one of the most affected places in the UK for the housing of asylum seekers. Walking past said hotels is now a no‐go for most of the women I know. On days when we are office based, we do not go out into the town centre unless absolutely necessary. We currently have such a problem that we are housing homeless UK families in hotels 3 or 4 counties away, and paying for taxis to ferry them back to their hometown and back every single day. We have certain villages in our town that even the police wont attend anymore. I would love to invite Gary to spend a few days in one of these places. He wouldn't even last the night. Never been able to stand the guy. Smug, overpaid, cheating, tax‐dodger.

All these celeb "I'm alright Jack's" will never, ever know the half of it.

PurvyPanda · Mar 11, 2023

Gym&Tonic said:
I’m working class and don’t feel impacted by mass immigration. I’m far more worried about the dire state of the NHS, the cost of living and the fact our public services are crumbling around us and I think that’s true of most people. This has been a very convenient ‘dead cat’ story for the government.

Oh dear, how do I break this to you. Pretty much all of the above will be impacted by mass immigration/migration. You don't need to be an economist to work that one out.

Council Tax goes up next month. The majority of the expenditure is delegated to Adult Social Care. What do you think that includes?

People are working harder for less, and that will only get worse. This is how you share the wealth. It will be a drop in the ocean to people like Gary Linekar, but it will be felt more by those of us who don't have his earning power.

Gym&Tonic · Mar 11, 2023

There is no mass immigration though? Mass immigration would mean tens of thousands of immigrants and that hasn’t happened.

PurvyPanda · Mar 11, 2023

EnjoyingTheShow said:
Couldn’t agree more, especially if one of them gets offered ££ to be his replacement! You’re only as loyal as your next pay cheque!

Said my piece earlier on in this thread.

Cancel him right out of England please. He can go sun himself with his idiot Bruv in Ibiza.

I have just read Alex Scott's tweet. What choice does she have. A lot of people who earn nowhere near what Gary Lineker earns will be detrimentaly effected if this goes on for too long, but it's either that or face being called a scab.
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Gym&Tonic said:
There is no mass immigration though? Mass immigration would mean tens of thousands of immigrants and that hasn’t happened.

Mass migration. Mass immigartion. Spliting hairs here.

The total number of recorded migrants crossing in 2022 was 45,756. That is tens of thousands.

bubbadabut · Mar 11, 2023

esmee said:
This is just misinformation and the kind of thing the government wants everyone to believe. I deal with a lot of asylum seekers and refugees and they don't receive £40+ a week in hotels, it's maximum £7 regardless of how long they have been there.
Yes they have access to NHS and dentists but they have to wait the same as everyone else there's no VIP, if a hotel has a GP visiting that's an arrangement they've made themselves it's definitely not all.
Some will work illegally which I don't agree with but if found it can affect their asylum claim and the HO has ability to raid businesses it suspects of using illegal workforce. Once someone has been seeking asylum for more than a year without any answer (which is a massive issue in itself, some people have been waiting 2-3 years for a decision meaning more pressure on resources when they could possibly be working and contributing to society) they can ask for work permission which is a lottery on who is given this, but they can only do work which is on the shortage list most of which is highly skilled work making the whole thing pointless, especially when there are low skilled jobs they could be doing and if people are working illegally willing to.
They are not given free phones upon arrival, there was recently an issue where the HO had illegally confiscated phones and personal items people had arrived with, phones which was the only way they could let loved ones know they were safe. Any phones, clothes etc. they get via charities.

Of course there will be people who abuse the system but the system is an absolute joke which is how the government wants it as it makes it easier to blame asylum seekers for their failures, the same way it used to be those on benefits they would blame, single mothers etc. anyone who it's easy to look down on and attack.

They get £45 per person per week on their Aspen cards. If they get meals in with their accommodation (my authority does not issue meals) it's £9.10 per person per week.

PurvyPanda · Mar 11, 2023

bubbadabut said:
This. I also work for a local authority and have recently been moved from my usual post to working on the homeless team. I can say for a fact that 4 star hotels have been taken over (could provide a link to the Trip Advisor pages of all the local hotels, full of 1 star reviews of people who've had their wedding/event cancelled, but I dont want to reveal my location). What a will say is that we are one of the most affected places in the UK for the housing of asylum seekers. Walking past said hotels is now a no‐go for most of the women I know. On days when we are office based, we do not go out into the town centre unless absolutely necessary. We currently have such a problem that we are housing homeless UK families in hotels 3 or 4 counties away, and paying for taxis to ferry them back to their hometown and back every single day. We have certain villages in our town that even the police wont attend anymore. I would love to invite Gary to spend a few days in one of these places. He wouldn't even last the night. Never been able to stand the guy. Smug, overpaid, cheating, tax‐dodger.

All these celeb "I'm alright Jack's" will never, ever know the half of it.

I have worked in the NHS and local authority. I know too much. It was depressing. I sat in and minuted meetings and literally despaired at what I was hearing. Our hospitality IS being abused. The majority of people don't have a clue what is going on, but would still like to school me on the issue. It really grinds my gears.

Last week someone on my IG shared a story about a friend of hers who was a victim of the worst crime to be inflicted on a woman. For the sake of not upsetting anyone, I will not go any further into the details, but it was a harrowing reminder that women really need to look after themselves, and not leave their drink unattended. The purpotrators are still at large but these are not the variety people that Gary Lineaker and co want to acknnowlge are filtering into the country. I understand he means well, but he is part of the problem and so is everyone else who wear rose tinted specs believeing all of these people have a legitimate need and would not a danger on our streets.

Ilovemusic · Mar 11, 2023

Pennypennypenny said:
I pay his wages I don’t want to know his Opinions unless it’s about football. Wrighty andShearer and the rest of his millionaire buds can fuck off as well

Don't want to know his opinion on which flavour crisps he prefers either, he's a smug twat.

Bolus · Mar 11, 2023

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Professor Yaffle said:
Count yourself lucky that you are not impacted by the 'mass immigration'. If you were refused treatment at an NHS hospital and given the reason that there were a 100 immigrants just off the dinghies being treated before you, it may be a different story. Similiarly when a wedding or celebration at a hotel is cancelled due to the four star Hilton being closed due to it being taken over by the government for immigrants.

All public services are affected when the country has this amount of extra people needing the resources, processing is costing £7 million per day. Everybody is impacted indirectly by this so called 'dead cat' story, so don't expect the government to be able to afford increased wages and more resources when finances are being stretched already.

Not against immigration for these people at all, there must be some harsh stories regading their plight to get here.

Agreed. We need immigration to support economic growth, just not at the uncontrolled rate which happens when you get legions of people traffickers bringing in people without advance notice. That’s why most countries have always had organised immigration systems, and that works well. Britain just doesn’t have the infrastructure in place to handle the numbers, including a disproportionate % of them as crims with priors. Glad I don’t live in a south coast community and really feel for everyone on the front lines.

teaandgoss101 · Mar 11, 2023

Professor Yaffle said:
Count yourself lucky that you are not impacted by the 'mass immigration'. If you were refused treatment at an NHS hospital and given the reason that there were a 100 immigrants just off the dinghies being treated before you, it may be a different story. Similiarly when a wedding or celebration at a hotel is cancelled due to the four star Hilton being closed due to it being taken over by the government for immigrants.

All public services are affected when the country has this amount of extra people needing the resources, processing is costing £7 million per day. Everybody is impacted indirectly by this so called 'dead cat' story, so don't expect the government to be able to afford increased wages and more resources when finances are being stretched already.

Not against immigration for these people at all, there must be some harsh stories regading their plight to get here.

And unfortunately many of them will not have the language skills required to work in the UK. Learning a new language isn’t easy and it is no disrespect to those people I wouldn’t have the capacity to learn a new language if I had to move to another country. But unfortunately that means many will end up a life on benefits and not contribute to the economy adding further strain. I don’t think the UK shouldn’t help these people but it needs to be more practical. Surprisingly a lot of those coming over would rather stay in their own country they only come over for better living conditions ! Maybe we should be looking at how we make their lives better in their own country and invest in their economy. (Obvs not referring to those fleeing war )

Ilovemusic · Mar 11, 2023

Gym&Tonic said:
You personally pay his wages? Wow, you learn something new everyday!

BBC Licence Fee

Yupitsme!! · Mar 11, 2023

Look nobody wants illegal dafties in the uk, anyone who wants them here can freely give up their home, their space in the nhs, give up their kids spaces at school and forfeit any benefits they recieve for the illegals they love so much. I'm sick and tired getting docked a thousand quid a month in national insurance and tax from my wages to fund this sickening display of criminals before the hardworking mugs. Fuck them back in their dinghies, they arent wanted here. No way is the criminals entering our country here to work hard and be an upstanding member of the community fleeing war torn France, Poland, Sweden. They are here to change our values and customs, look at the kid who dropped the Quran ffs, kid was getting death threats. This bleeding heart shit has to stop. For the sake of our kids it has to stop.

Ilovemusic · Mar 11, 2023

L3moning said:
He didn't compare it *to the holocaust* though. He compared it to the language used in the 1930s by Germany, which is not the same thing at all.

Are people really comparing the UK governments policy to 1930s Germany???

Anti-Jewish Legislation in Pre-War Germany
"The first wave of Nazi antisemitic legislation, from 1933 to 1934, focused on limiting the participation of Jews in German public life."

"In September 1935, the Nazi leaders announced the “Nuremberg Laws” which institutionalized many of the racial theories prevalent in Nazi ideology."

"Nazi legislation in 1937-38 increased the segregation of Jews from their fellow Germans, ultimately requiring Jews to identify themselves in ways that would permanently separate them from the rest of the population."

Baby Giraffe · Mar 11, 2023

Jen667 said:
I'd be interested to see any comparisons between the language used by this government and the language used by Nazi Germany. I doubt they exist but happy to be proved wrong.

If you can’t see the similarities with dehumanising language then I’m not sure you’ll ever see it. Nobody is arguing that the situation isn’t awful but the blame isn’t being correctly allocated. It’s a fabulous dead cat for the government though especially due to the number of people who don’t seem to understand what was said. For the record, I find him irritatingly smug and wouldn’t want to spend any time with him but that doesn’t mean I can’t agree with him on some things.
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PurvyPanda said:
Last week someone on my IG shared a story about a friend of hers who was a victim of the worst crime to be inflicted on a woman. For the sake of not upsetting anyone, I will not go any further into the details, but it was a harrowing reminder that women really need to look after themselves, and not leave their drink unattended. The purpotrators are still at large but these are not the variety people that Gary Lineaker and co want to acknnowlge are filtering into the country. I understand he means well, but he is part of the problem and so is everyone else who wear rose tinted specs believeing all of these people have a legitimate need and would not a danger on our streets.

Are you saying that this poor lady was attacked by migrants? It’s not clear in your post so I may have misunderstood. Regardless it’s obviously terrible but unfortunately and of course not everybody is good and well intended which is why the assessment process needs improving (which is massively adding to the numbers needing housing). However there’s plenty of wrong ‘uns born and brought up here, everybody needs to look after ourselves regardless of immigration, one of my closest friends had a similar assault with a bloke from Leeds, would you tar everybody from Leeds in the same way?

Jen667 · Mar 11, 2023

Baby Giraffe said:
If you can’t see the similarities with dehumanising language then I’m not sure you’ll ever see it. Nobody is arguing that the situation isn’t awful but the blame isn’t being correctly allocated. It’s a fabulous dead cat for the government though especially due to the number of people who don’t seem to understand what was said. For the record, I find him irritatingly smug and wouldn’t want to spend any time with him but that doesn’t mean I can’t agree with him on some things.
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Are you saying that this poor lady was attacked by migrants? It’s not clear in your post so I may have misunderstood. Regardless it’s obviously terrible but unfortunately and of course not everybody is good and well intended which is why the assessment process needs improving (which is massively adding to the numbers needing housing). However there’s plenty of wrong ‘uns born and brought up here, everybody needs to look after ourselves regardless of immigration, one of my closest friends had a similar assault with a bloke from Leeds, would you tar everybody from Leeds in the same way?

De-humanising language used by this government? Not Farage, not the media, this government. That's what Lineker claimed. It isn't true. He's just succumbing to the tired old trope of calling everyone he doesn't like a Nazi. Comparing the language of now to the UK government of the 1930s would have been more accurate, they were the ones who refused to take in Jewish people seeking refuge.

Ilovemusic · Mar 11, 2023

Jaynefnw said:
And I never said it was happening everywhere, but it will get worse in every area if nothing is done to either stop or slow down the sheer amount of arrivals.

In a idea world we could take in everyone who needed help but we can't , I would like someone on here or any of these celebs or politicians, who are championing all the refugees to be able to come, to tell us all where we as a country will house all these arrivals in the long run ...as more will keep coming if there isn't a system in place to limit it all ....not all will get work and pay back into the system...not will want to work ..not all are here for good.
hundreds of hotels throughout the country are full 100 plus rooms in some full with some having been there for months if not years.....where do we put them in the long run, do we accept them all no vetting and allow all who want to stay here. There imo needs to be rules and protocols to limit arrivals for everyone safety on both sides. (As my son has been threatened many times in his line of work )
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Don't be ridiculous, do you really think the one Mr lineker took into his home just stepped off a boat and was given his address of course not, the person would have been vetted and checked extensively before hand. But the average place the majority of the arrivals end up in and in large groups, not just one or two people, haven't been checked and no of course all asylum seekers aren't scum, but sadly they all aren't people who want to train to be a doctor or even work. We all have to be realistic about this issue.

Precisely!
The refugee Lineker accepted...
"The youngster, Rasheed, from the mountainous Balochistan region between Pakistan and Iran stayed with Lineker for 20 days while studying law in the UK."

20 days??? That's more like a homestay for a student exchange arrangement! It certainly wasn't a refugee "straight off the boat"!

Jaynefnw · Mar 11, 2023

esmee said:
This is just misinformation and the kind of thing the government wants everyone to believe. I deal with a lot of asylum seekers and refugees and they don't receive £40+ a week in hotels, it's maximum £7 regardless of how long they have been there.
Yes they have access to NHS and dentists but they have to wait the same as everyone else there's no VIP, if a hotel has a GP visiting that's an arrangement they've made themselves it's definitely not all.
Some will work illegally which I don't agree with but if found it can affect their asylum claim and the HO has ability to raid businesses it suspects of using illegal workforce. Once someone has been seeking asylum for more than a year without any answer (which is a massive issue in itself, some people have been waiting 2-3 years for a decision meaning more pressure on resources when they could possibly be working and contributing to society) they can ask for work permission which is a lottery on who is given this, but they can only do work which is on the shortage list most of which is highly skilled work making the whole thing pointless, especially when there are low skilled jobs they could be doing and if people are working illegally willing to.
They are not given free phones upon arrival, there was recently an issue where the HO had illegally confiscated phones and personal items people had arrived with, phones which was the only way they could let loved ones know they were safe. Any phones, clothes etc. they get via charities.

Of course there will be people who abuse the system but the system is an absolute joke which is how the government wants it as it makes it easier to blame asylum seekers for their failures, the same way it used to be those on benefits they would blame, single mothers etc. anyone who it's easy to look down on and attack.

They do receive £40 .84. I believe, not sure what area of the country you work in but they do get a free phone in the area I am in and my son works in, they also get a free travel card for public transport which it topped up. I certainly don't watch MSM or believe everything the government tell me especially after seeing during all the lockdowns while we were all confined to our homes, the asylum seekers weren't as it was against their human rights . .so no I don't believe any mis information the MP/government or telly/news presenters, you claim are telling us, I go by watching how my family member deals with the issues he has to deal with in his line of work with these individuals.

Yupitsme!! · Mar 11, 2023

Baby Giraffe said:
If you can’t see the similarities with dehumanising language then I’m not sure you’ll ever see it. Nobody is arguing that the situation isn’t awful but the blame isn’t being correctly allocated. It’s a fabulous dead cat for the government though especially due to the number of people who don’t seem to understand what was said. For the record, I find him irritatingly smug and wouldn’t want to spend any time with him but that doesn’t mean I can’t agree with him on some things.
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Are you saying that this poor lady was attacked by migrants? It’s not clear in your post so I may have misunderstood. Regardless it’s obviously terrible but unfortunately and of course not everybody is good and well intended which is why the assessment process needs improving (which is massively adding to the numbers needing housing). However there’s plenty of wrong ‘uns born and brought up here, everybody needs to look after ourselves regardless of immigration, one of my closest friends had a similar assault with a bloke from Leeds, would you tar everybody from Leeds in the same way?

They aren't migrants though, when I think migrants I think of the ones coming here to work and pay into the system and learned to speak our language. Dont confuse migrants with criminals, who come here illegally via rubber boat with the begging bowl out. Most of my colleagues are migrants, came here legally, pay taxes and pay visa costs and nhs surcharges, its a slap in the face to them this is happening

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