English Channel migrant crossing crisis #3

[kev1974]

Carrying on from Part 2

Today's story is that they're not happy about their central London hotel rooms that they're having to share. Apparently the toilets are not being cleaned. That could be easily fixed with the provision of some bleach, cloths, and a couple of toilet brushes, no? Or a ferry ticket back to France?

Migrants barricade entrance to Comfort Inn hotel in London

The group complain that instead of the ensuite single rooms they had at a guesthouse in Essex they are now being forced to share four to a single room with two bunk beds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[PurvyPanda]

The optics of seeing a group of people demanding things from a country they’ve just set foot in wearing box fesh trainers tells me these people are not legitimately in need, they are legitimately in want.

 

[Lollyy]

Carrying on from Part 2

Today's story is that they're not happy about their central London hotel rooms that they're having to share. Apparently the toilets are not being cleaned. That could be easily fixed with the provision of some bleach, cloths, and a couple of toilet brushes, no? Or a ferry ticket back to France?

Migrants barricade entrance to Comfort Inn hotel in London

The group complain that instead of the ensuite single rooms they had at a guesthouse in Essex they are now being forced to share four to a single room with two bunk beds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It’s hard to believe that if they don’t even want to clean their own toilets then what’s the likelihood of them wanting to get full time jobs.
Wish we could just means test immigration

 

[monga]

Carrying on from Part 2

Today's story is that they're not happy about their central London hotel rooms that they're having to share. Apparently the toilets are not being cleaned. That could be easily fixed with the provision of some bleach, cloths, and a couple of toilet brushes, no? Or a ferry ticket back to France?

Migrants barricade entrance to Comfort Inn hotel in London

The group complain that instead of the ensuite single rooms they had at a guesthouse in Essex they are now being forced to share four to a single room with two bunk beds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

A fella in the comments said he couldn’t even afford to park his car there ,never mind his ass
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Just wait till Ukraine and the other 5/6 countries are brought into the EU ,they’ll flood to Ireland to gain passports then move over to the Uk through the common travel area. Georgia ( safe country) has the biggest number of asylum seekers in Ireland.

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Think it’s 8 to a room in some Irish direct provision centres, which btw are due to close in 2024 where will they put them then??

 

[Happy Lady]

Does anyone know what other European countries provide to these men. Accommodation, food, spending money, access to medical treatment - like we do???? Do we know if say Germany, Spain, France, etc process their applications faster than the UK, or allow them to work?

We hear from Suella and Rishi that refugees arriving here from "safe" countries are being deported back to their homeland, there are thousands of them, but only small numbers have actually left. I don't understand this. Why aren't we just getting on with it?

 

[Notworthy]

Does anyone know what other European countries provide to these men. Accommodation, food, spending money, access to medical treatment - like we do???? Do we know if say Germany, Spain, France, etc process their applications faster than the UK, or allow them to work?

We hear from Suella and Rishi that refugees arriving here from "safe" countries are being deported back to their homeland, there are thousands of them, but only small numbers have actually left. I don't understand this. Why aren't we just getting on with it?

I suspect a lot of Countries just round them up and quietly shove them on a plane. Not refugees but years ago I live in Miami (legally) There was a bar there with about 6 Brits working in it. One day the immigration van showed up, piled them in and in less than 24 hours they were on a plane back to the UK. No lawyers no nothing, you're gone, bye.

 

[Happy Lady]

Answering my own question here. So Germany pay asylum seekers €410 a month - £356.

My angst with all this is that whilst genuine people flee their own country from war, why do they leave women and children behind? But those who enter here from Albania, etc not at war, drive me crazy with all their demands, and take tax payers money, millions every week. Millions that could be spent on what this country needs, including paying more benefits to those who need it, increasing nurses pay, etc.

 

[Whatspopping]

Does anyone know what other European countries provide to these men. Accommodation, food, spending money, access to medical treatment - like we do???? Do we know if say Germany, Spain, France, etc process their applications faster than the UK, or allow them to work?

We hear from Suella and Rishi that refugees arriving here from "safe" countries are being deported back to their homeland, there are thousands of them, but only small numbers have actually left. I don't understand this. Why aren't we just getting on with it?

Does anyone know exactly what they get in the UK? For example what amount of money/vouchers is provided when someone is housed in a hotel? How quickly someone gets a house? I feel whatever side of the debate you fall, knowing this information is rather important.

 

[Moth]

Does anyone know exactly what they get in the UK? For example what amount of money/vouchers is provided when someone is housed in a hotel? How quickly someone gets a house? I feel whatever side of the debate you fall, knowing this information is rather important.

If an asylum seeker is housed in a hotel which provides meals, they receive £9.10 per week to cover clothes, toiletries etc. This is paid on an 'Aspen' payment card.

If an asylum seeker is living in what is called 'dispersal accommodation' e.g flats or shared houses without food being provided they receive £45 on the Aspen card.

Asylum seekers are also entitled NHS treatment.

Not sure what you mean by "how quickly someone gets a house".

 

[monga]

I was under the impression they didn’t have to apply for asylum in the first safe country??

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Does anyone know what other European countries provide to these men. Accommodation, food, spending money, access to medical treatment - like we do???? Do we know if say Germany, Spain, France, etc process their applications faster than the UK, or allow them to work?

We hear from Suella and Rishi that refugees arriving here from "safe" countries are being deported back to their homeland, there are thousands of them, but only small numbers have actually left. I don't understand this. Why aren't we just getting on with it?

I don’t know about those claiming asylum but the one’s looking to cross the channel get nothing, not even running water, the police tear down the camps.
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The Americans don’t want them sucking up their resources, people are boycotting the schools because these men are sleeping in the gyms.

 

[Happy Lady]

Does anyone know exactly what they get in the UK? For example what amount of money/vouchers is provided when someone is housed in a hotel? How quickly someone gets a house? I feel whatever side of the debate you fall, knowing this information is rather important.

Yes, it's on the Government website

Asylum support

How to apply for asylum support if you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum in the UK

www.gov.uk

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If an asylum seeker is housed in a hotel which provides meals, they receive £9.10 per week to cover clothes, toiletries etc. This is paid on an 'Aspen' payment card.

If an asylum seeker is living in what is called 'dispersal accommodation' e.g flats or shared houses without food being provided they receive £45 on the Aspen card.

Asylum seekers are also entitled NHS treatment.

Not sure what you mean by "how quickly someone gets a house".

I think I've read somewhere that as soon as their application is accepted, to live and work here then they must leave the hotel (or wherever) or pay for their room(s) and they are treated the same as we are. Then this happens: (taken from the Government website).

Grant of asylum as a refugee

If you are granted asylum in the UK you are recognised as a refugee under the 1951 Refugee Convention and are allowed to remain in the UK for 5 years (limited leave to remain). At the end of 5 years limited leave, subject to the outcome of any review and to the policies in place at the time, you will be eligible to seek indefinite leave to remain (ILR). You should do this 1 month before your 5 years’ limited leave expires.

During your period of limited leave, if there is a significant and non-temporary change in country conditions, it may be decided to review grants of refugee status. Your status may also be reviewed if we receive information relating to your actions that may mean you no longer warrant refugee status, such as if your refugee status was obtained by misrepresentation.

 

[Merpedy]

Illegal migrants plan could cost £6bn over two years, say government projections

Internal Home Office figures include the costs of developing detention facilities, the BBC understands.

www.bbc.co.uk

We talked about other projections before and I don’t remember whether this is worse or better than those but oof… especially when it likely won’t achieve much and create an even larger and separate backlog of people whose claims can’t be processed and who cannot be deported

 

[voice of reason]

Why is it mostly young men we see crossing

Carrying on from Part 2

Today's story is that they're not happy about their central London hotel rooms that they're having to share. Apparently the toilets are not being cleaned. That could be easily fixed with the provision of some bleach, cloths, and a couple of toilet brushes, no? Or a ferry ticket back to France?

Migrants barricade entrance to Comfort Inn hotel in London

The group complain that instead of the ensuite single rooms they had at a guesthouse in Essex they are now being forced to share four to a single room with two bunk beds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Well send them back home, if they where so desperate for asylum would the really care. Why aren't they cleaning there own toilets we all have to do it. This country is a joke. They have no respect for us or our culture, yet we say we will give you the best. I do think we should always support genuine Asylum as he always did in the UK. How many of them are genuine though

 

[Piff paff puff]

Does anyone know what other European countries provide to these men. Accommodation, food, spending money, access to medical treatment - like we do???? Do we know if say Germany, Spain, France, etc process their applications faster than the UK, or allow them to work?

We hear from Suella and Rishi that refugees arriving here from "safe" countries are being deported back to their homeland, there are thousands of them, but only small numbers have actually left. I don't understand this. Why aren't we just getting on with it?

There is obviously no official answer to why gov doesn't stop them. My own conclusion is the home office civil servants employed to process claims work at a snails pace as they are Extreme left and want official open borders and to welcome anyone who rocks up. Gov (and most prominent MPs) are career politicians who just want paid for doing the least amount of work possible and mostly also left wing who don't suffer the problems of over crowding and infrastructure that the public do who live in mostly the deprived areas where they house the immigrants so they ignore the issue.
I also believe that whomever gets voted into the next gov won't want to or be able to stop the immigrants as they will be thwarted by high courts and human rights lawyers. Basically any one with the power to change things for the better for the majority of the British public won't, as they are all of the same opinion and political beliefs (left, Extreme left, socialist)
Suella, like her predecessor pritti patel is not a real Tory. However they must fulfill the role of their job to an extent that basically only extends to saying controversial things that are never backed up by actions.

 

[Moth]

Yes, it's on the Government website

Asylum support

How to apply for asylum support if you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum in the UK

www.gov.uk

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I think I've read somewhere that as soon as their application is accepted, to live and work here then they must leave the hotel (or wherever) or pay for their room(s) and they are treated the same as we are. Then this happens: (taken from the Government website).

Grant of asylum as a refugee

If you are granted asylum in the UK you are recognised as a refugee under the 1951 Refugee Convention and are allowed to remain in the UK for 5 years (limited leave to remain). At the end of 5 years limited leave, subject to the outcome of any review and to the policies in place at the time, you will be eligible to seek indefinite leave to remain (ILR). You should do this 1 month before your 5 years’ limited leave expires.

During your period of limited leave, if there is a significant and non-temporary change in country conditions, it may be decided to review grants of refugee status. Your status may also be reviewed if we receive information relating to your actions that may mean you no longer warrant refugee status, such as if your refugee status was obtained by misrepresentation.

Under the Nationality & Borders Act 2022, any asylum seeker that arrives in the UK by 'irregular' routes (including crossing The Channel) will be treated differently to those arriving by 'lawful' means. One of those differences is that even if their claim is considered, they are found to be 'genuine' and are given refugee status, they will only be given 30 months limited leave to remain in the UK "unless exceptional circumstances apply".
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.... I do think we should always support genuine Asylum as he always did in the UK. How many of them are genuine though

Since the only measure of 'genuineness' is whether or not they qualify for refugee status it will be necessary to actually consider the applications in order to find out. The government doesn't seem too keen on doing that though. All we can consider is that of the cases that were considered in the year ending March 2023, 73% were given refugee status on initial decision and of the appeals that were heard in the same period, 43% were successful. This would indicate that approximately 85% of asylum claims were considered to be 'genuine' by UK authorities.
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There is obviously no official answer to why gov doesn't stop them. My own conclusion is the home office civil servants employed to process claims work at a snails pace as they are Extreme left and want official open borders and to welcome anyone who rocks up. Gov (and most prominent MPs) are career politicians who just want paid for doing the least amount of work possible and mostly also left wing who don't suffer the problems of over crowding and infrastructure that the public do who live in mostly the deprived areas where they house the immigrants so they ignore the issue.
I also believe that whomever gets voted into the next gov won't want to or be able to stop the immigrants as they will be thwarted by high courts and human rights lawyers. Basically any one with the power to change things for the better for the majority of the British public won't, as they are all of the same opinion and political beliefs (left, Extreme left, socialist)
Suella, like her predecessor pritti patel is not a real Tory. However they must fulfill the role of their job to an extent that basically only extends to saying controversial things that are never backed up by actions.

The Tory government and in particular Suella Braverman is not right wing enough? Brilliant!

 

[Merpedy]

However they must fulfill the role of their job to an extent that basically only extends to saying controversial things that are never backed up by actions.

Because fixing the issue would lose them another easy vote winning slogan

We went from hating EU immigrants to banging on about asylum claimants and destroying the system to ensure the problem continues and remains expensive

 

[monga]

Yes, it's on the Government website

Asylum support

How to apply for asylum support if you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum in the UK

www.gov.uk

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I think I've read somewhere that as soon as their application is accepted, to live and work here then they must leave the hotel (or wherever) or pay for their room(s) and they are treated the same as we are. Then this happens: (taken from the Government website).

Grant of asylum as a refugee

If you are granted asylum in the UK you are recognised as a refugee under the 1951 Refugee Convention and are allowed to remain in the UK for 5 years (limited leave to remain). At the end of 5 years limited leave, subject to the outcome of any review and to the policies in place at the time, you will be eligible to seek indefinite leave to remain (ILR). You should do this 1 month before your 5 years’ limited leave expires.

During your period of limited leave, if there is a significant and non-temporary change in country conditions, it may be decided to review grants of refugee status. Your status may also be reviewed if we receive information relating to your actions that may mean you no longer warrant refugee status, such as if your refugee status was obtained by misrepresentation.

There’s over 5000 asylum seekers ( claims granted) refusing to leave direct provision in Dublin because they can’t afford to live in or around the area, don’t know who they think is going to pay their way or find them accommodation when there’s a massive housing shortage.
UK asylum seekers can bring their families over once they gain refugee status ,benefits will be backdated from the date of their asylum claim.

Refugees - financial support and housing - Maternity Action

This page contains information on:Immigration status – overviewOverview of support Other helpApplying for council housing or homelessness helpHelp with housing costs including rent and council taxEntitlement to NHS maternity careServices exempt from chargingOther useful information sheetsWhere...

maternityaction.org.uk

 

[HelloStereo]

Answering my own question here. So Germany pay asylum seekers €410 a month - £356.

My angst with all this is that whilst genuine people flee their own country from war, why do they leave women and children behind? But those who enter here from Albania, etc not at war, drive me crazy with all their demands, and take tax payers money, millions every week. Millions that could be spent on what this country needs, including paying more benefits to those who need it, increasing nurses pay, etc.

You're right, we should have a well functioning welfare system.

It's hardly a surprise that the government that has mismanaged the asylum process to the point where they're having to put people up in hotels has also been astonishingly bad at managing our social care system.

 

[Happy Lady]

Rishi talking in Dover today about the migrant crisis, including spending up to £6 billion. Give me strength! There's better ways to spend tax payers money. He's wanting them to share hotel rooms to save £250 million. So, until now they've all had a room to themselves. . Unbelievable. It's taken them how many years to dream up this money saving method.

Some figures for you, taken from the Express, so believe them or not. .

Last year over 45,000 people arrived in the UK in small boats.

There is a backlog of more than 170,000 applications claiming asylum.

Around 395 hotels are being used to house more than 51,000 asylum seekers at a cost of almost £7 million a DAY.

 

[monga]

Seems it’s all a deflection even if they’re refused asylum they get to stay on humanitarian grounds.

Pimlico hotel caves in to asylum seekers and ends four in room policy

On May 31 around 20 asylum seekers staying at the Comfort Inn in Pimlico, south west London, camped outside to protest the poor conditions in the hotel.

www.dailymail.co.uk