Be More Pacific
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Ooh, the sentencing remarks are being recorded. I've just turned onto Sky ready!
Looks like the BBC website will be showing them too - here's the link:
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Christ, he's another aspiring rapper in his spare time
Most dangerous profession there is.
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I still don't think it will be a whole life order. It doesn't fit the specified criteria - intending to kill two people is not the same as killing two people.
Cases which would normally fall into the category for a ‘whole life order’ are covered in para 2 schedule 21 SA 2020 and include:
• the murder of two or more persons where each murder involved a substantial degree of planning or the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
• the murder of a person under the age of 18 involving abduction or sexual or sadistic motivation;
• the murder of a child involving a substantial degree of premeditation or planning, where the offence was committed on or after 28 June 2022;
• political, religious or ideological murder
• murder of a police officer or prison officer in the course of their duty committed on or after 13 April 2015
• murder by an offender previously convicted of murder
Yes, exceptions can be made because the criteria specifically states the examples provided "include" - Wayne Couzens being one but the judge had to jump through a lot of hoops to get there (basically ruled it akin to a terrorist attack) - but I just don't think this case warrants it.
I think the judge has asked the prosecution for their submissions to show he considered it but will rule it out.
I'm still going to 40+ years - murder with a firearm starting point is 30 years then add on all the aggravating factors. Probably 42-45 years. But he'll stop short of a whole life order. That's my thoughts.
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I wouldn't bet my house on it though
Looks like the BBC website will be showing them too - here's the link:
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Christ, he's another aspiring rapper in his spare time
Most dangerous profession there is.---
I still don't think it will be a whole life order. It doesn't fit the specified criteria - intending to kill two people is not the same as killing two people.
Cases which would normally fall into the category for a ‘whole life order’ are covered in para 2 schedule 21 SA 2020 and include:
• the murder of two or more persons where each murder involved a substantial degree of planning or the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
• the murder of a person under the age of 18 involving abduction or sexual or sadistic motivation;
• the murder of a child involving a substantial degree of premeditation or planning, where the offence was committed on or after 28 June 2022;
• political, religious or ideological murder
• murder of a police officer or prison officer in the course of their duty committed on or after 13 April 2015
• murder by an offender previously convicted of murder
Yes, exceptions can be made because the criteria specifically states the examples provided "include" - Wayne Couzens being one but the judge had to jump through a lot of hoops to get there (basically ruled it akin to a terrorist attack) - but I just don't think this case warrants it.
I think the judge has asked the prosecution for their submissions to show he considered it but will rule it out.
I'm still going to 40+ years - murder with a firearm starting point is 30 years then add on all the aggravating factors. Probably 42-45 years. But he'll stop short of a whole life order. That's my thoughts.
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I wouldn't bet my house on it though
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the irony that she’s made up to have him home for Christmas (and not be in prison) and now she’s banged up on Boxing Day for stabbing him. Different world people, but scary considering this is all my part of the world.
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Yes, that's the one
she needs locking up for a few years by the looks of it!
spot the scousers 
