I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with you. You come across as a person who is quick to judge others and doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt.
As opposed to what you're doing rn?
Sorry, not trying to start a fight, but I think I explained my viewpoints fairly well based on her content and never said any of what she did was bad.
She is clearly not rich and she has worked hard for the money she has and can spend it however she wants. It's not like it's being thrown at her, she has worked hard for the scholarships and created a youtube channel (which is time consuming and a proper job). What she has she has achieved on her own and when you have earned money you deserve to spend it however you want without receiving judgment from strangers.
I never claimed she was rich or hasn't worked hard?
The fact that you accuse her of not studying in Germany simply because it's free is also very judgmental. She has earned a scholarship that covers those fees so she is not paying them and why shouldn't she attend an elite university if she has the chance, it would be stupid to throw this opportunity away.
I did not "accuse" her of anything. If I had said "she's such a rich kid why doesn't she just study back home in Germany like a normal person" *that would've been accusatory. I just said she could've studied in Germany basically for free, so she was in a privileged position being able to
choose to go to Cambridge. I don't see how that's "accusing" her, especially since I never said she shouldn't have gone to Cambridge. I actually think it would've been stupid not to go
if she had the means - which clearly she did. Her fees aren't covered entirely afaik, so yes, mom
is paying for part of it at least. The fact that she/her family had the means to make her have that choice is the privilege I was talking about. Again, that's not a bad thing, never said it was! Just that realistically, plenty of people wouldn't have had that choice.
She has spoken many times about how she gets second-hand clothes and about how she doesn't drink and hardly ever parties so she obviously has more money left for other things, that doesn't make her rich. People are so quick to judge others. Other people her age go to parties every Friday and Saturday, buy several drinks etc. She doesn't do that so she has more money for other stuff.
And that's great, I was talking about her values moreso than money though. I was saying that when you watch her content and see someone who owns several designer items (i.e. values designer brands over just functionality for example) that makes you think she's a certain type of person, so it's natural to assume she comes from money (even if she doesn't). You immediately jumped at someone saying "Have you even watched her videos" when they assumed she came from money. I was merely explaining where that assumption might come from (*especially* if you have watched some of her content and have seen the designer items she owns). And your upringing is often related to what you value - it doesn't always have to be but it's interesting that someone with a middle class upbringing grows to value brand names and designer items so much (or maybe that was always the case in her household, we don't know).
Not to mention second hand gucci bags are still a couple hundred (at least? idk designer prices lol) and her Chanel make up is hardly second hand. She can do what she wants with her money obviously, but like I said, it's a privilege to be able to prioritize your spending in that way. For most people not-partying doesn't pay for gucci bags though, even if they're second hand. Sooo many people her age don't party (especially in the past 2 years) and a lot of them can hardly afford rent, "other people party so they don't have more money for other stuff (like her)" feels very circumstantial (like you know someone where that is the case, so all people must not be able to afford (second hand) designer bags because they spend hundreds partying).
I don't even want to get into the political debate further because it isn't the topic of this thread but if you think that the German Green Party, for example, is without fault you should look up what they wanted their politics to be like in regards to children in the 80s (I won't go further into this because it is so disgusting) and they also got involved in wars (Iraq) in the past. I am not a huge fan of the CDU, don't get me wrong, but scandals, corruption etc. happen in all political parties. And no, the CDU is still not comparable to the Tories. But this isn't the right place for this debate.
I never said anything about other parties and never claimed the Green Party didn't have similar issues (or any other party, why bring up specifically the Green Party)? I wasn't trying to give an overview of German politics, I was just pointing out that Merkel's refugee approach isn't a great argument as to why the CDU apparently are different from the Tories because I felt like that comment was a half-baked attempt at presenting them in a certain way that just doesn't reflect the majority of their viewpoints. And yes politicians in other parties are corrupt too, duh? but "other parties also bad" isn't an argument for "CDU not bad". And also even though scandals and corruption happen in all parties, we can't act like the CDU doesn't seem to have noticably many (compared to other parties).
Plus, for a lot of the examples (e.g. marriage equality and Selbstbestimmungsgesetz) the CDU did vote more conservatively, the Green Party (and some others) didn't. Actually for marriage equality the CDU was the *only* party in the Bundestag who voted against it iirc. So if we need to compare the two (you brought them up so I'm sticking with it) those are two examples of where the CDU would moreso align with tory views, the Green Party wouldn't. Just because there are a couple points where they don't align (refugees and EU being the major ones) doesn't mean they aren't in a similar space on the political spectrum and don't still share a lot of their views - especially views that differentiate them from other parties in their respective countries.
To illustrate real quick:
Sure, they're not in the exact same spot but especially
compared to the other parties they're in a
similar spot. For a one-sentence explanation whereabouts they are compared to UK Parties, I feel like that's close enough.
(not to claim politicalcompass.org as the ultimate best source, just an easy way to compare the two from a 30sec google search)
But feel free to offer a different quick explanation to where you'd put the CDU on the political compass in relation to UK parties/to explain to non-Germans? That's where this whole debate stemmed from after all.
Sorry to have brought this up again, just felt like it needed more context
(And I definitely am super intrigued what Elena's political views might be and to be able to properly talk about that we need to be on the same page about things like this!)
I guess that’s what happens when you’re blinded by misogyny and, dare I say it, jealousy. Can I get a ‘Hi Elena’ now as well?
