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I don't think people have an issue with the show looking and political or environmental themes. I think they just want a bit more subtlety in how things are written, because sometimes it feels so on the nose that it feels patronising to adults. Like it thinks that everything must be spelled out exactly in case we are to stupid to understand. Well written kids TV doesn't feel like that.

His approach to diversity can feel a little dated. He features a lot of diverse characters, but sometimes it feels like the race/sexuality/disability is the entire or most important part of a character, rather than it just being part of who that person is.

For example, Shirley Bingham the Unit Scientist. She is an ambulatory wheelchair user. It is one of the few things we know about her apart from her job and it is referenced a lot when she is on screen. It doesn't feel like there is anything else to her.

Donna's daughter Rose is saddled with a lot of cringe ' how do you do fellow teenagers!' lines.

Her actress isn't that good, and after her first appearance it feels like she is there just so they could say that there was a trans character in the show rather than give her something meaningful to do.

If she had been a better actress, it would have been great to have her actually travel with the new Doctor and have an arc that was not related to her being trans. That would have been a great step forward for having diversity in the show.

I don't feel like the show is calling me a Bigot, I feel like RTD makes statements suggesting that anyone who doesn't like certain characters or plots must be a Bigot. It makes me feel like he thinks any criticism must spring from bigotry and not from simply wanting things to be better written.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. It feels like tick box inclusion where the diversity characteristic is the personality of the character rather than having a fully formed character who just happens to be disabled/LGBT/whatever
 
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Like it thinks that everything must be spelled out exactly in case we are to stupid to understand. Well written kids TV doesn't feel like that.
I think the writing and not knowing its audience is the main problem. I remember I commented on the very simple writing a few years back and the response was “this is for kids!”.

If you look at Waterloo road it also took some time to realise that kids didn’t need everything spelled out to them after the re-boot. Problem is, I don’t think Doctor Who has really needed to make those same realisations because getting another series is taken a bit for granted
 
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. It feels like tick box inclusion where the diversity characteristic is the personality of the character rather than having a fully formed character who just happens to be disabled/LGBT/whatever
This feels like everything at the BBC right now sick of being down voted etc for saying it
 
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I would put £100 very safely on Billie not actually being the next Doctor. She will be some Bad Wolf thing, a one off story, Bad Wolf resetting the universe back to the right timeline, getting rid of the stupid mavity thing and all that nonsense. Then a proper regeneration into the actual next doctor
I won't hold my breath.
 
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Oh my God, can someone please put Russell T. Davies in a quiet, possibly padded room for a while? He is going on and on and on about what awful nasty bigots anyone who doesn't like anything about the show is, how he is upsetting all the right people, how Doctor Who really feels like a "gay" show now, calling any site where it's not 100% praise a hate site...

The man has lost it.

Art is supposed to be for everyone, I really hate living in this era where we find ourselves being told "this show is not for you" if we are not a soap box ranting identity politics obsessed metropolitian luvvie. It's absurd and it's everywhere - see what's been going on with Starfleet Academy.

It's always the same type of writer/showrunner and the actual powers that be need to do what Pixar recently apparently did, which is tell them that the IP is not their therapy session.

No wonder there are reports of people watching older shows more nowadays.
 
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Isn't it ironic how the original saviour of the show, ended up destroying it?
It does feel like everything has come to this out of pure spite on RTD's part. I think he's always had that about him a bit, he used to love trolling the old school fans as much as he could get away with even in his initial run 20 years ago but he has gone so far off the deep end since his return it's really sad to see. I wonder if the tragic death of his partner has to do with it. See also how he's dating someone who looks young enough to be his grandson.
 
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Oh my God, can someone please put Russell T. Davies in a quiet, possibly padded room for a while? He is going on and on and on about what awful nasty bigots anyone who doesn't like anything about the show is, how he is upsetting all the right people, how Doctor Who really feels like a "gay" show now, calling any site where it's not 100% praise a hate site...

The man has lost it.

Art is supposed to be for everyone, I really hate living in this era where we find ourselves being told "this show is not for you" if we are not a soap box ranting identity politics obsessed metropolitian luvvie. It's absurd and it's everywhere - see what's been going on with Starfleet Academy.

It's always the same type of writer/showrunner and the actual powers that be need to do what Pixar recently apparently did, which is tell them that the IP is not their therapy session.

No wonder there are reports of people watching older shows more nowadays.
As a gay man myself, Doctor Who doesn't feel like a gay show, it feels like a tragic show. That has completely lost the plot, is an exercise in endless box ticking and forgets to write actual characters with personalities and depth. And forgets to write actual Sci-Fi plots. The show is tit now. And it isn't because it's woke, it's because it's badly written, directed and produced. Shoe horning issues in rather than making them feel natural parts of the show.
 
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Becsuee there's now a tick box it has to have in it so it's unnatural
 
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I've been revisiting episodes from the classic era and even near the end when they had no budget whatsoever and the show had become viewed as pretty naff by most, everyone making it still did the best they could and as a result it is infinitely more watchable than almost anything that came after 2015 or so. 'Cause for me personally the really huge first dip in quality came in series eight but then series nine was excellent... but from series ten onward it became all about the messaging and it wasn't fun to watch anymore.
 
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While series 1 way back in 2005 had some daftness like the farting aliens, I watched The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances last night.

Oh my good grief.

How a show that could produce episodes like that, storytelling like that, acting like that eventually became whatever the ever loving duck Chibnall and then RTD 2.0 turned it into needs to be studied at the highest level.

Unrecognisable does not begin to cover it, not even when you make sure to account for how much society, attitudes and production style can change within twenty odd years.

What an absolute tragedy.

Was inspired to rant because there is rumour that the BBC can't find anyone to play the doctor (this was rumoured months ago, from the way it is persisting I feel it might be true) and RTD said he's not filming anything else 'this year' after talking about his new series The Tip Tow. This show is in a much worse state than even the 1989 end of the era. Needs resting for at least ten years, then a completely new team of people who actually love what it should be to try again. No trace of any of the current lot who have been there since 2005, they are poison to the brand now.
 
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While series 1 way back in 2005 had some daftness like the farting aliens, I watched The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances last night.

Oh my good grief.

How a show that could produce episodes like that, storytelling like that, acting like that eventually became whatever the ever loving duck Chibnall and then RTD 2.0 turned it into needs to be studied at the highest level.

Unrecognisable does not begin to cover it, not even when you make sure to account for how much society, attitudes and production style can change within twenty odd years.

What an absolute tragedy.

Was inspired to rant because there is rumour that the BBC can't find anyone to play the doctor (this was rumoured months ago, from the way it is persisting I feel it might be true) and RTD said he's not filming anything else 'this year' after talking about his new series The Tip Tow. This show is in a much worse state than even the 1989 end of the era. Needs resting for at least ten years, then a completely new team of people who actually love what it should be to try again. No trace of any of the current lot who have been there since 2005, they are poison to the brand now.
This says a lot about what's going on with Doctor Who in my opinion.

It's not that they can't find anyone to play the Doctor. There are thousands of jobbing actors, aspiring actors who would bite the BBC's hand off to play the Doctor. And plenty of them would be more than capable of doing the job.

Doctor Who has been a very closed circle since 2005, writers have come from largely the same small group for 20 years, the casting has been very matey. So what is more likely is Russell can't get one of his gang to play the Doctor.


Honestly RTD 2.0 has been one of the biggest disappointments in TV history. His writing gets worse, his producing gets worse, the tick boxing, the poor storytelling, it's all just so heavy handed - and it wasn't exactly subtle during RTD 1.0 at times.

Whole production teams needs throwing out, starting with an entire new team. And honestly, a flimsy storyline to retcon pretty much anything that has happened in RTD 2.0 era. I'm not fussed about the Timeless Child storyline of Chibnall, it was ambitious at least, if not entirely well executed.

Then just start at the basics again, just tell a story of the Doctor turning up on a world, there being a conflict to resolve because one group wants to kill the other and the Doctor saves the day and picks up a new companion. Crack on
 
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Doctor Who has been a very closed circle since 2005, writers have come from largely the same small group for 20 years, the casting has been very matey. So what is more likely is Russell can't get one of his gang to play the Doctor.
This is it. This is the core of everything that is wrong with the show.

In general the acting/tv production world is very small. It's become almost impossible for anyone who is not middle - upper class to break into it and you get the same couple of dozen "names" involved in every bloody thing from writing to acting. I am so bloody tired of it. Sadly, though, I don't think it will change. The hubris these people have is too strong to be overriden.
 
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I wonder if they’ll get much interest in a co-production

apparently Casualty is co-produced but medical dramas seem to have some wide appeal abroad, I’m not sure of Dr Who really has that?
 
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The xmas episode is cancelled?
Good.
It needs a proper break of a couple of years for it to be given a chance to breathe and for them to get out of the terrible decision to bring Billie Piper back.
 
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I wonder if they’ll get much interest in a co-production

apparently Casualty is co-produced but medical dramas seem to have some wide appeal abroad, I’m not sure of Dr Who really has that?
On the other hand, if one influential tv production person to mistakes Dr Who for a medical drama, it’s not over yet.
 
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On the other hand, if one influential tv production person to mistakes Dr Who for a medical drama, it’s not over yet.
And ignores that Disney dropped the IP as well

Reckon that may be the bigger problem to overcome 💀
 
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