Crime documentary discussion thread

[Marcolf]

Has anyone watched the crash ? On Netflix? I don’t know what to think

I watched it. I'm aware there's always a point-of-view in a documentary, seems partly to do with which people they need access to. The families of the two boys obviously contributed with their interviews and lots of personal and social media. Also the police and prosecution. But even if there'd been much more from the girl's side, it's hard to see what could have been presented that would have made me think the verdict was wrong.

Spoiler

When they left her 'off camera' asides in from the jail interview, it wasn't 'on her side' e.g. but interesting to see

I thought the prosecution went a bit over the top using a teenager's tiktoks in court as a gotcha, but the evidence otherwise seemed solid. The girl's parents were astonishing to watch, especially the court plea for leniency.

Spoiler

She must have intended to kill herself too, though, because there's no way she could have guaranteed to survive that crash

I felt for the boys' families, they didn't get an explanation.

 

[2ofeach]

I watched 8 CiP so far.
I'm happier with the daylight crimes because viewing the night time ones I'm more on edge like I'm there, and the watching/running was like getting motion sickness

That said it's been a fab watch so looking forward to S2.

 

[itsnotmereally]

I don’t think she planned it. I think she threw a tantrum of rage and didn’t stop to consider the consequences. I think she thought herself untouchable and was never taught to be responsible for her actions. She’s a very narcissistic, spoilt individual who has learned nothing. The “little girl lost”, wide-eyed innocent look is all a manipulative act.

there’s another doc and she drove the route 7 times in the days before.
Maybe for her and her parents involvement they asked for certain bits to be held back?
if you listen carefully she also says to her Lawyer ‘was that good’ after her interview.

 

[TapToBoreMeRigid]

Next Monday BBC2

 

[2ofeach]

Has anyone watched the crash ? On Netflix? I don’t know what to think

Tonight's evening sorted so now briefly avoiding the thread

 

[PoppyKJ]

Been watching murder trial on bbc iplayer. The dog walker one, what the actual hell?!

 

[Ravenstown]

I’ve commented on this before on here but I worked with Neil back when he was a Registrar and then onto being a Consultant.
He was a lovely man, kind, thoughtful and extremely supportive of his junior colleagues.
He was an excellent Surgeon and had an extremely good bedside manner. Patients always spoke very highly of him as he was just so kind and gentle.
When he first became ill with sepsis everyone was extremely worried for him and concerned for his family.
This whole thing came as such a shock to everyone and I still struggle with hearing all the facts of the case which seem to have no relation to the man I worked & on occasions socialised with. I would never have believed him to be dishonest or so deeply disturbed.
The whole situation is a tragedy. His life is in tatters, he has lost his family and his career ( he was struck off by the GMC some time ago). My thoughts particularly go to his wife who is a lovely person and his children who will have to grow up knowing what their father did.
I also questioned myself as I always believed myself to be a good judge of character but obviously I am not.
He really wasn’t a “weirdo “ but he is obviously deeply disturbed. As I said just a tragedy all around.

Thank you for your insight, it is extremely fascinating. It must be so unsettling to be so close to a jekyll and hyde character. People are very clever at manipulating others and situations to get what they want but very unnerving to feel someone like that walks among us, like frighteningly close to us.

Your post makes me think of Rex Heuermann's family being unable to marry the two side of their husband/ father.

 

[Upintheair83]

I love crime documentaries, at the moment I'm really enjoying 'the first 48' and rewatching some of my old dvds of it! Does anyone know what seasons Disney+ have on there?...the thing that always strikes me about the first 48 is how life isn't sacred at all. These (mostly) young lads just seem to settle arguments with a gun, most of the time they don't even think before they shoot. None of them seem to value life or seem to be able to regulate any emotion. And it seems to be a vicious cycle, which I find desperately sad. Its such a scary world out there and the gang culture is fascinating to me. I really do think drugs is the devil in so many ways, without it, half of these murders wouldn't happen.
On You Tube I love Pat Brown and Unsolved no more with Ken Maines. I also love to listen to The Interview room, especially when Dr Gary Brucato is on.

 

[RaveChampion]

Sorry, not *recidivists*-Criminologists.
There's a Freudian slip right there.

 

[GinaLianosdeckofcards]

It is from 2015, but did anyone ever watch Making a Murderer on Netflix about Steven Avery? I've gone back and forth with this for years now and I still don't know what to fully make of it. I'm not sure if it's still on Netflix (I cancelled my subscription a few months ago) but there is stuff about him on YouTube still.

Yes I did. I still can't make my mind up to this day of who or what I believe.

 

[Tula]

Anyone watch The Carman Family Deaths on Netflix?

I just watched it and it's Interesting. I do think he did them all though.

Yes and agree, he definitely did them all.

 

[Be More Pacific]

Just started watching A Toxic Love Story on Netflix. I'm about ten minutes in.

I know this case - I recognise some of the video footage and the mugshot - think it was maybe featured on Dateline or 48 Hours. I can't remember what happens - I can guess though!

 

[2ofeach]

Just binged the catfish documentary...

Sorry but no way would I be taken in by that voice changing app, it sounded so staggered & robotic.
Lilly & Chloe definitely had wigs on which I thought was odd & served little purpose.
All in all I thought it was wild, what a bloody character 'Dave/Matthew' was.

 

[IfTheCapFits]

What the hell?!!

https://news.sky.com/story/church-warden-serving-life-for-murder-of-university-lecturer-has-conviction-quashed-13532458

 

[2ofeach]

Mr2 saw the 1st 5 minutes of Unknown Caller, told me who Dunnet, then buggered off to watch something else upstairs
He hadn't seen it previously, he tends to not watch 'my' death & danger programmes

 

[Lars Guinard]

It's mostly repeats now but I do enjoy Medical Detectives on CBS Reality

Faking it: Tears of a crime on Quest Red and Discovery plus is interesting. I've watched it too much and there's so many other documentaries I've watched on crimes and it's clear to me they're lying

Faking it:Tears of a crime is one I enjoy despite Kerrie Nixon.

 

[Naffdoff]

Yes they are great!

 

[retroretro]

Watched it & still don't know what to make of it all. Did anyone watch Dr Phil where he had his girlfriend on talking about this? She met Avery after supporting him ( from what I can recall, she was a very well-to-do, intelligent woman, a lawyer of some sort maybe?) Anyway, she fell in love with him - called him her great big teddy bear & talking about the wedding dress she'd bought in anticipation of their nuptials. Then next thing she was all over the Dr Phil show again a while after saying he's the most horrible person ever and she believes he's guilty.

Apparently Avery threw a living cat onto a bonfire, so imo, he's an evil bastard anyway. Whether he's guilty of murdering this poor woman or not - as far as I'm concerned he's an uncivilized bastard and if he's locked up for life I'll shed no tears. Then at least the poor cat will have had justice.

I've just started watching Convicting a Murderer on Prime that goes into the case more with bits the Netflix series did. I has covered about the cat and I felt sick, having cats of my own, my stomach flipped and he must palmed it off as being with the wrong crowd. I've only got to episode 2 so far though and he is definitely a disgrace with how he treated his family and animals (he abused his dog too).

 

[Melian]

I don't know this case but there's a programme on channel 4 tomorrow at 9pm called Love You To Death. It's about a boy called Matthew. His mum is Lisa Hayden Johnson who fabricated Matthew's illness

 

[Melian]

I haven't watched it as I find him really annoying.

I found him ok with the stuff he's done with Fred Dineage. But in this one I didn't like him