Crime documentary discussion thread

[Mrsp2806]

Watched 2 good ones this week. Limbs in the loch.. available bbc iplayer. Based in Scotland. 6 parter and it’s mind blowing. And unknown caller, catfish on Netflix. Words fail me on that one!!

 

[Crumpet41]

Spoiler: More thoughts

I wouldn't say the murder or Nori Jones was similar except for the use of a knife. Very different motive.

I think TA is highly manipulative - in fact, in the Cold Justice episode, one of the prison staff said to the detective that he was 'tricky' or 'slippery' - something similar. At the time of the filming, TA and BD were in the same prison (I don't know if they still are) and that's why I find it sad/weird that they don't talk to each other. I'd like to watch the documentary you saw but I don't have Disney+ but apparently we are getting it as part of our Sky package so I will watch it then. I'll admit that TA really intrigues me and that makes me feel pretty uncomfortable to be honest.

When I say life without parole for juveniles, I mean it shouldn't even be an option. That door should not be slammed shut immediately. I'm talking about a minimum term followed by parole hearings. Obviously, if they are deemed too dangerous to be released, then they may well end up in prison for their whole life - I'm just don't think that should not be the default position. I say this all the time I know but there has to be hope especially with children. There has to be hope of rehabilitation. There has to be hope that something positive can come out of a tragedy. You are condemning a child to a life behind bars forever and that's what does not sit well with me. That's my point really. Believe me, I have wrestled with this for many years - I was once (metaphorically speaking) one of those people banging on the Thompson/Venebles prison vans at their first court appearance. I actually can't believe I ever felt that way about children.

If I am interpreting your comment correctly then I think we are on the same page as Thompson/Venables . A few years ago i read a book that was written by David James Smith ( he was a local journalist at the time and now works for the Sunday times and has since won a few writing awards) . I learned about the book through a course I was on whilst in Uni. It is extremely well written - factual and gave a balanced view overall.

It changed my views of the whole situation - from how i thought about Thompson/Venables ( going from thinking they were the epitome of evil to that they were failed from the start). From parents to school to social workers to the media. They became scapegoats for system failings. I do not think they should have been tried as adults either. This did more harm than good. They should have been protected from the media and public opinion. A 10 year old is not an adult.

What they did was horrendous and i do not condone what happened . I have nothing but empathy for James Bulgar and his family. But at the same time i have empathy for Thompson & Venables who both had a pretty shitty upbringing which played its part in what happened to James.

The book i read > https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sleep-Reason-James-Bulger-Case/dp/0571282709

 

[TapToBoreMeRigid]

Someone on the real crime thread has personal knowledge of the case and said the sentence is being appealed.

 

[Happy Alpaca]

I recently watched this documentary too, then I watched the dramatisation with Sheridan Smith afterwards. I've heard the story before as part of other real life crime shows, but it was powerful to hear it from Ann Ming directly, in her own words.

 

[Spiderplant]

What is the exact name of this programme please.
i googled and all the BBC says is this is part of BBC Scam week, but no pointers to the programme…….

Fake Friend: The Ticket Scammer

 

[Cosytidy]

I have also watched the Murder Trial series on IPlayer.
I can't watch the C4 In Footsteps of Killers with Emilia Fox - I don't like how her and David Wilson interact with each other, don't know if it is their voices but I find them quite false.

I couldn’t stand that programme either. I don’t rate him at all.

 

[PoppyKJ]

Just watching..
The Evil Influencer on Netflix

I've added an extract of an article, from one of the now adult children too

I’ve read Shari’s book, insane how those children were treated

 

[Tangent Tiger]

Has anyone watched the documentary Alison on Prime about Alison Botha?

She was kidnapped, nearly decapitated, raped, disemboweled and...survived after extensive surgery and care. My eyes were out on stalks.

 

[Officedoor123]

I'm another convert to Crime in Progress, watched the first three and loved them. Great way to produce a true crime series, puts some of the other crap to shame.

 

[Ittybittytittyclub]

Few things I’ve watched recently;
I fought the law on ITVX.
Betrayal on Disney.
My wife, my killer and the secret footage. Channel 5.

Cannot believe the unknown caller!!! I don’t know how to put a spoiler so I won’t say anything other than WOW

 

[2ofeach]

Every time Mr2 finds me watching TV alone, doing the ironing or if he's off out for the evening he says 'what you watching, murder!'

My shared tv logins...I've nowhere to hide

 

[LilPinkie]

There was a really good documentary on Disney plus about this:
Devil in the Family: Ruby Franke
It really concentrated on the impact all the filming etc had on the kids and the insane amount of money the parents were earning.
The abuse didn’t just come from Ruby and Jodi. IMO the dad shouldn’t have for away with this Scot free.

The stupid dad had no backbone. He really failed to protect those kids.

 

[Not Now Bernard]

By "you can't do right for doing wrong" you mean racist. She was racist

Oh she was absolutely racist.
my neighbour was just a bog standard nut job who screamed at everyone and would regularly call the police out over the most ridiculous stuff.

 

[Not Now Bernard]

I’ve read Shari’s book, insane how those children were treated

There was a really good documentary on Disney plus about this:
Devil in the Family: Ruby Franke
It really concentrated on the impact all the filming etc had on the kids and the insane amount of money the parents were earning.
The abuse didn’t just come from Ruby and Jodi. IMO the dad shouldn’t have for away with this Scot free.

 

[repairshoplover]

Looks like Disney plus will have a new series based on British crimes next week.

 

[PoppyKJ]

Has anyone watched Maternal instinct on Netflix!?? What the hell have I just watched! It's completely mental, too awful for words!

What the actual hell was that?! I watch all crime shows and nothing shocks me anymore, but this was horrendous

 

[hehehe]

The Vanishing Cyclist on iPlayer.

Equally depressing and infuriating.

 

[Upintheair83]

Omg watching Crime in progress, 2 mins in and I actually can't believe it!

 

[Judes1974]

This is coming soon

 

[2ofeach]

The Vanishing Cyclist on iPlayer.

Equally depressing and infuriating.

Yes I watched this a few weeks back. Small towns know all your secrets. How bloody tragic that was.