COVID-19 vaccine #19 & general vaccine conversation

[grampositive]

You said you work in a hospital and very low risk ,is that because of natural immunity with being exposed so often

No - low risk as in I don't have any underlying conditions and am (relatively) young.

I'm not a clinician so not someone who is exposed more than average as I don't have direct patient contact, but have previously been asked to have the 'flu jab due to working on site.

 

[rainbowlemon]

Japan has imported 30 million doses. Their program starts from the 19th.

What you need to know as Japan prepares to roll out new COVID vaccines

The drive featuring shots that target the omicron subvariant will start later this month and go into full swing in October and November.

www.japantimes.co.jp

Risk of getting coronavirus in hospital is definitely higher than in the general pop, like with many types of infection, but I don't understand the point you're making?



Where are you getting every two months from? In the UK the general pop have been offered a primary course of two innoculations, and a booster.

There are now plans to offer the coronavirus vaccine annually in the autumn, along with 'flu jabs.

Stats for England vaccine uptake shows more then 100, 000 people have had 5 vaccine doses already. Can’t remember the exact number off the top of my head. That’s one part only of the UK though. Would be higher including Wales and the rest.

 

[monga]

Seems this wave has fizzled out without the population being boosted so people must be gaining some protection from exposure .

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

Japan has imported 30 million doses. Their program starts from the 19th.

What you need to know as Japan prepares to roll out new COVID vaccines

The drive featuring shots that target the omicron subvariant will start later this month and go into full swing in October and November.

www.japantimes.co.jp

Stats for England vaccine uptake shows more then 100, 000 people have had 5 vaccine doses already. Can’t remember the exact number off the top of my head. That’s one part only of the UK though. Would be higher including Wales and the rest.

My nana had 4 before she passed away. She would be on her 5th now.

 

[grampositive]

Stats for England vaccine uptake shows more then 200,000 people have had 5 vaccine doses already.

@rainbowlemon

Yup - that's why I said "general population" when questioning where you were getting the "every two months claim from".

200,000 people out of the total UK population is a very small percentage - this will be those who are CEV and are unlikely to have mounted a good immune response from the primary vaccine schedule.

 

[Prefrontalmedialcortex]

We’re not currently at the annual stage yet. Every two months seems to be the norm so far.

The majority of the population would have had the 2 initial doses, followed by the booster. The elderly, vulnerable and immunocompromised would have been offered more than the initial 2 doses as well as booster.

It is not every 2 months and I don’t think in any country this is the case.

 

[monga]

My nana had 4 before she passed away. She would be on her 5th now.

Update on MIL it's an arterial air embolism in the heart very rare as I previously said but they're going to operate just waiting on the specialist hospital to send for her they can't do it at our local as it's so high risk .

 

[rainbowlemon]

Update on MIL it's an arterial air embolism in the heart very rare as I previously said but they're going to operate just waiting on the specialist hospital to send for her they can't do it at our local as it's so high risk .

I’m glad you have an answer Monga. Just hope her surgery goes well too.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

Update on MIL it's an arterial air embolism in the heart very rare as I previously said but they're going to operate just waiting on the specialist hospital to send for her they can't do it at our local as it's so high risk .

So good to hear they've found out what the issue is and are able to operate on it. Have they suggested to your MIL what could have caused the embolism?

 

[grampositive]

Seems this wave has fizzled out without the population being boosted so people must be gaining some protection from exposure .

Yes, but at risk of being pedantic, it's worth pointing out that the reason this wave hasn't led to problematic levels of transmission/people being off work sick/hospital admisssions etc, is because we have such a good proportion of the population vaccinated and boosted. We're not in a situation where we have a completely naive population, like back in 2020.

Very hard to predict what proportion of the population would need annual boosters to keep infection rates at reasonable levels, but we'll have to see what happens come autumn/winter.

 

[monga]

Yes, but at risk of being pedantic, it's worth pointing out that the reason this wave hasn't led to problematic levels of transmission/people being off work sick/hospital admisssions etc, is because we have such a good proportion of the population vaccinated and boosted. We're not in a situation where we have a completely naive population, like back in 2020.

Very hard to predict what proportion of the population would need annual boosters to keep infection rates at reasonable levels, but we'll have to see what happens come autumn/winter.

Not because the viris itself is milder ? a recent study showed 80% of people didn't know they had it

 

[rainbowlemon]

Thought omicron evaded the previous vaccines so that’s why they needed a omincron specific one which not everyone has even had yet.

 

[grampositive]

Not because the viris itself is milder ? a recent study showed 80% of people didn't know they had it

It'll be a combination of factors and very tricky to quantify each component - immunity from vaccinations, previous infections, repeated exposure & *possibly* lower virulence will all have contributed

 

[monga]

It'll be a combination of factors and very tricky to quantify each component - immunity from vaccinations, previous infections, repeated exposure & *possibly* lower virulence will all have contributed

Exacly ! but they seem to point at the vaccines as the sole saviour .

 

[grampositive]

Thought omicron evaded the previous vaccines so that’s why they needed a omincron specific one which not everyone has even had yet.

No - so it's not a binary "the vaccine works or it doesn't work" situation.

Initial efficacy was at around ~97%. This was when the vaccine was working against the original Wuhan variant it was designed against.

As the virus continues to mutate, real world effectiveness drops, due to the genetic differences in the portions of the virus the vaccine is designed to mimic. I believe against omincron effectiveness was estimated at around ~60%, although these figures were from quite a while ago.

This is why we regularly update vaccines for viruses that have a relatively high mutation rate, like influenza.

 

[rainbowlemon]

Which study and vaccine brand are you quoting for the 97% effective?

Pfizer claimed 100% initially.

 

[grampositive]

Exacly ! but they seem to point at the vaccines as the sole saviour .

Who's they?

I'm very happy to point you to some blogs/SM accounts of scientists & clincians who give great unbiased reporting based on robust evidence (and a long list of "experts" to avoid... )

Which study and vaccine brand are you quoting for the 97% effective? Pfizer claimed 100% initially.

The ~97% efficacy was a composite figure based on evidence from the original set of vaccines. Note I've said approximately several times.

I don't beleive Pfizer ever claimed 100% effectiveness (or do you mean efficacy?) - do you have a link?

But surely this is moot given no-one is claiming the current vaccines have such a high effectiveness against current variants? This is why updated versions are being rolled out.

 

[monga]

So good to hear they've found out what the issue is and are able to operate on it. Have they suggested to your MIL what could have caused the embolism?

No nothing ,and I can guarantee she didn't have this problem pre pandemic as she had previous surgery and it was never picked up , to now being left in a serious condition it's very high risk surgery but they've no alternative because this bubble is cutting off her oxygen supply .

Who's they?

I'm very happy to point you to some blogs/SM accounts of scientists & clincians who give great unbiased reporting based on robust evidence (and a long list of "experts" to avoid... )



The ~97% efficacy was a composite figure based on evidence from the original set of vaccines. Note I've said approximately several times.

I don't beleive Pfizer ever claimed 100% effectiveness (or do you mean efficacy?) - do you have a link?

But surely this is moot given no-one is claiming the current vaccines have such a high effectiveness against current variants? This is why updated versions are being rolled out.

The Government .

 

[rainbowlemon]

It’s from a press release.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

No nothing ,and I can guarantee she didn't have this problem pre pandemic as she had previous surgery and it was never picked up , to now being left in a serious condition it's very high risk surgery but they've no alternative because this bubble is cutting off her oxygen supply .

I'm so sorry to hear that monga. I really hope it goes as well for her as possible and she makes a full recovery. My husbands friend developed an embolism in his lung after he was vaccinated and is now on medication for the rest of his life.