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I'm completely the same .. can't eat them if they start going brown .. they need to be greenish!
 
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My friend is a GP they have sent letters to those in care homes and with life limiting illnesses asking them to consider and update their DNR statues.

As far as I am aware they are not told not to go to hospital etc and care will be given but if resusitation is required that won't be if you have signed.
I can't imagine getting one of these letters

This article where I lady was complaining as she found it upsetting. I think the issue was their wording of if. But these are definitely bring sent out.
 
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Isn’t it the amount you’ve been exposed to affects how seriously you get it?

so if you’ve been exposed to patients you might have picked up a bigger strain of it and then passed it to your husband more mildly for example?

glad your out and on the mend anyway
 
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I really don’t think viruses work like that. If you have it you have it, how you react is more due to you there’s no such thing as a “bigger strain.”
I’m no scientist or medic so do correct me. This just sounded very wrong.
 
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I really don’t think viruses work like that. If you have it you have it, how you react is more due to you there’s no such thing as a “bigger strain.”
I’m no scientist or medic so do correct me. This just sounded very wrong.
Google “viral load”. If you spend a few shifts of 12 hours (as some nurses etc are) in a Covid soup you are exposed to more of it.
 
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Google “viral load”. If you spend a few shifts of 12 hours (as some nurses etc are) in a Covid soup you are exposed to more of it.
Fair I had heard of viral load but didn’t make that connection .... According to new scientist they aren’t totally sure in this case, as they aren’t sure about much it’s so new, but point still stands

 
I saw on the dailymail (so probably not true at all) that those 2 poor nurses in their 30s who died *RIP* were affected more due to being Exposed to the virus more? I do agree the viral load does exist. Which is why nhs front line are so scared. Xx
 
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sorry but I love banana bread literally is the best thing ever if you can make a decent one. Maybe that’s what’s wrong? His tastes shit?



I agree about the bananas being green I can’t eat them when their yellow an black
 
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DNR certainly doesn’t mean you don’t get treatment. It means you won’t have people jumping up and down on your chest if you arrest. Which has a poor outcome whoever you are.
 
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Not to mention his unborn child on the way. Very sad
 
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I vape too and have done for 3-4 years. I didn’t really like reading about “popcorn lung“ before this pandemic. In fact I ignored it. If you can quit, give it up I’m struggling to quit, so have decided what will be, will be
Just to reassure you, especially if you only buy uk e-liquid:

 
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DNR certainly doesn’t mean you don’t get treatment. It means you won’t have people jumping up and down on your chest if you arrest. Which has a poor outcome whoever you are.
True, but the BMA guidelines (which no one has to consent to) state that young, healthy people are a priority in the case of limited resources, so older people/people with underlying conditions could be denied treatment
 
True, but the BMA guidelines (which no one has to consent to) state that young, healthy people are a priority in the case of limited resources, so older people/people with underlying conditions could be denied treatment
It’s not a case of being denied, it’s a case that there is not enough equipment for everyone so therefore those with the best outcome are given the equipment. If they could treat everyone they would. I cannot imagine having to make that choice, a doctors main aim is to preserve life under all circumstances, to have to decided between two patients must be unbearable.
 
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I’m definitely going to be combing our post for the next few days so mum doesn’t have to see this letter. She’s young, mid 40, with terminal cancer and doesn’t need the upset of this on top of everything else. Obviously if she got it badly we’d have to cross that bridge when we came to it but whilst she is currently feeling well and active we could do without this reminder of her own mortality.
 
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Sorry to hear about your mum, if her cancer is terminal they may have discussed DNR with her already. It’s a brutal series of moves that cannot guarantee a quality of life after.
 
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Sorry to hear about your mum, if her cancer is terminal they may have discussed DNR with her already. It’s a brutal series of moves that cannot guarantee a quality of life after.
I completely appreciate that and if we were in hospital I’m sure we would both agree that the doctors should sign it. But in our own home which where we work so hard to keep positive and active it’s a bit of a kick in the teeth. She hasn’t had the discussion before as no hospital admissions since diagnosis and never been brought up in clinic (I go with her so I’d know).
 
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Denied treatment in favour of someone with better chances, but I’d still use the word denied. It’s not a straightforward issue by any means and I can see the value in trying to save as many people as possible. But, while I personally don’t know anyone this guidance will negatively affect, I’ve seen such people online and it’s heartbreaking to see the humans who feel as if they have already been cast aside. They’ve already been dealt a crap hand in life and now this

I agree, I wouldn’t be able to chose who lives and who dies. Doctors make decisions to stop treatment on a daily basis but not at this scale and not usually between two people who could both survive. The country could have been more prepared for this which would have prevented some of the heartache
 
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I am so sorry for your situation. I spoke with my friend about these letters as I thought they seemed so brutal and she said the reason they send them now is they want people to discuss and think about it in a rational calm way rather than having to make that decision once someone is seriously ill or when the desision is needed imminently. Your mum has the option to say she does want to be resusitated as well.

It a horrible decision to think about and I understand why no on would want to but would your mum maybe want to be able to make that decision herself rather than leaving it up to you ? If she is admitted to hospital she may not be capable.

Sending kind thoughts at this stressful time x
 
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I agree, I cannot speak for your mum but I would not be happy if my daughter hid that from me and effectively took that conversation away from me.

Now is a good time to talk, it’s calm and not in a time dependant situation. When emotions are high it may be an added stress.

I’m sorry for all the added stress on top of your mums diagnosis.
 
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DNR certainly doesn’t mean you don’t get treatment. It means you won’t have people jumping up and down on your chest if you arrest. Which has a poor outcome whoever you are.
Plus chest compressions are aerosol spreading, so arrest team would need to don PPE. All of which takes time. All off which puts staff at risk. There is no emergency in pandemic, as you say if you get to arrest stage your looking at poor outcome unfortunately.
 
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