Constance Marten and Mark Gordon Case #5

[casperon]

One thing that concerns me, will prosecution be able to prove manslaughter and not that the baby died of other causes e.g. a pre-existing condition?

 

[casperon]

It could be anything from 1 year up to life for GNM. It looks quite complex with determining culpability

My guess would be probably very high culpability (category A) and almost certainly cat B, so starting point would be 8 or 12 years, then prosecution and defence will put forward aggravating and mitigating factors.

Gross negligence manslaughter – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

How does it work if there’s other charges also? I read online that sentences over 10 years for manslaughter are rare

 

[MylaMoo]

Today’s Argus link

Jury to be shown bodycam footage of Marten and Gordon arrest - live updates

Live updates from the Old Bailey as the prosecution continues its case against Constance Marten and Mark Gordon

www.theargus.co.uk

It's a slow start again this morning !!

 

[sebanna]

I did feel for Victoria being kept in a cold tent with no proper nappies, no clean, dry clothes and no wipes. I wouldn't put it past CM and MG to leave her in a dirty nappy for days until she got really bad nappy rash.

 

[HotesTilaire]

Would there be any public serious case review of Victoria by Social Services? I’m not sure there would, but I’d be really interested to read one.

 

[Lady Parker Rose the 3rd]

It awful to say but that would be ‘better’ than a period of days (or, god forbid, weeks) of decline

(co-sleeping here too, except he’s 5 now and won’t leave )

Same, I say same but I am in his room and he won't sleep if I leave

 

[lumalee]

What time is the trial expected to commence today? The waiting is killing me!!

 

[casperon]

Was the tent they were sleeping in found?

 

[neroli]

But what if you get jury members who are persuaded by her father's comments about the toxic influence of the cult and her behaviour changes.Also her psychiatrist will seek to emphasise the family history of erratic mental health/acting out of character etc/trauma. I wouldn't be swayed by this but it's possible that there are jury members who would be receptive to these factors?

 

[Haveyouanywool]

No, I’m not referring to you.

Opps, sorry.
But you know, opinions, on a gossip site.
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I thought it was too obvious to need to say that it doesn’t impact every person who has attended boarding school. There’s always one though

Oh thanks, and I thought we’d just had a lecture about belittling.

 

[Lady Parker Rose the 3rd]

It doesn’t actually matter quality wise, she will still have a top barrister, it’s just the public are paying for it.

I meant good that her trust fund status is not enabling her anymore.

 

[saltandvinegarcrisps]

People will refuse to listen to any thoughts that don’t involve deliberately murdering her.

It’s still gross negligence manslaughter if she was poisoned by CO in a tent or shed. It doesn’t mean they were doing the right thing or should have had her there in those conditions.

Has this been mentioned in court about having gas heaters in their tent? They're on for manslaughter not murder.

 

[superhanscrack]

The initials she used to identify them are random. I'm sure there was a V and a Y. Can't think of any name that starts with a Y.
Not sure of MGs heritage. Might be traditional names.
Just checked. BTY, COF, DAV.
I think B and C are boys, D is a girl.
Aaah is that why they are using double initials in the trial, because thr kids initials are actually B, C and D in real life.

while thinking up names beginning with with y… I thought Yasmin .. but then weirdly remembered another case about a couple of mental religious “parents” who got caught abusing their son for 2 years plus in the name of a cult called “Yah” .. anyway sorry if off topic but here

 

[Yesweknowyouhavekids]

Who speculated they were scared loving parents on this thread? Who? You’re seeing something that isn’t there. Something you want to see.
Post the links if it happened.

You haven’t worked with many sociopaths. You wouldn’t be talking about evil in such an uneducated way if you have. Don’t believe it for a second.

anyway, post the evidence.

Uneducated . Lol!
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They most definitely are. In the ED of the hospital where I work they routinely substitute for junior doctors on the medical rota.

There are so frighteningly clueless people on this thread I’ve got to say
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They most definitely are. In the ED of the hospital where I work they routinely substitute for junior doctors on the medical rota.

There are some frighteningly clueless people on this thread I’ve got to say
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My comment still stands. They are not diagnosticians.

Have you only ever experienced third world health care?

 

[sebanna]

Did CM or MG ever disclose where they had left the body ?

 

[casperon]

OK, I’m not going to win regarding poor, hard done by Mark. Fair enough.
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No, for when he was deported back to Britain in 2010, and for the next 6 years.

His sentence finished in 2010.

 

[Haveyouanywool]

We eat raw carrots a lot but they wouldn’t be the first thing I’d choose in their situation! Unless maybe they wanted something fresh and carrots are cheap, keep better for longer than (eg) fruit. Something like apples is more expensive than a bag of carrots

Maybe CM was trying to introduce something healthy for MG in response to his injured foot.

 

[casperon]

Why were they buying milk?

 

[MmmB777]

I didn’t say - or mean - that you stopped anyone having an opinion. I actually said that it’s fine to have an opinion.
The reason I did was you were replying to a post which was replying to/about my post, so I read it as part of the chain.

I was just trying to say that no one has to / is expected to believe anything


because I thought this ^ part of your post was in relation to my saying I think there’s a reason they kept her close - if I’m wrong then I apologise. I was literally just clarifying what I’d said was only my opinion.

Yeah you were wrong

 

[the_moonins]

Please could someone let me know what the podcast name is and where I can listen to it?