Constance Marten and Mark Gordon #10

[Aberscot]

i hope the jury replay that video of her handling the baby in the takeaway in their minds, and then they will remember the way she handled that poor baby., that was when she was alive and they were apparently both loving parents.
Fast forward few weeks and hope they remember the way they cared for her poor deceased body…..in a bag filled with dirt and rubbish.
Poor Victoria deserved so much better let’s hope she gets some sort of justice, and as for the rest of her kids thank god we have social workers else the other 4 might not have survived either.
i am hoping for quick guilty verdict tommorow.

 

[Lubylab]

The thing which sticks in my mind (and I recall one of the juror's as it was noted she sobbed) is the dirty teddy bear babygrow which was passed around in the evidence bag.

My own daughter had this very same babygrow last winter (it was a pack of 3 from primark - very thin just usual cotton) . I guess that's why I can't forget it. Just makes me so sad for that poor baby girl in the cold with no home comforts, warm water for bathing etc.

Let's hope the Judge's summing up reminds the jury of some important evidence from the start. Hoping they reach a verdict very soon.

 

[DianaBanana]

No court until Wednesday when the judge will continue his summing up…FFS!

 

[HotesTilaire]

Intentionally rude, then. You can just use the ignore button @Dogmuck


live seen barristers lose their temper a fair few times in court, whoever said “god complex” is right as well, some of them seem to be quite psychopathic, I wouldn’t be surprised if a high proportion of them are. It probably attracts them.

 

[sebanna]

No court until Wednesday when the judge will continue his summing up…FFS!

Oh that's annoying, you think he could just cracked on and then the jury could decide their verdicts tomorrow and it all be done and dusted for the weekend. Its very stop/start for the Jury. Who must by now be desperate for it to be over.

 

[Tangent Tiger]

It's like following a snail trail (almost misspelled it as trial!)

 

[InchSchlong]

Intentionally rude, then. You can just use the ignore button @Dogmuck


live seen barristers lose their temper a fair few times in court, whoever said “god complex” is right as well, some of them seem to be quite psychopathic, I wouldn’t be surprised if a high proportion of them are. It probably attracts them.

I've not commented on this thread before but have been following along.

I know a barrister, he is an insolent prick with an air of self importance. He is absolutely a narcissistic sociopath. I kind of think you have to be to do the job!

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

Intentionally rude, then. You can just use the ignore button @Dogmuck


live seen barristers lose their temper a fair few times in court, whoever said “god complex” is right as well, some of them seem to be quite psychopathic, I wouldn’t be surprised if a high proportion of them are. It probably attracts them.

That’s probably more of a help than a hindrance in such a career

 

[HotesTilaire]

That’s probably more of a help than a hindrance in such a career

What is and why?

 

[JarvisCockerSpaniel]

I actually cringed at the Alice in Wonderland quotes, is it normal to use passages fiction to back up your defence in a trial?!

 

[Asterix]

I actually cringed at the Alice in Wonderland quotes, is it normal to use passages fiction to back up your defence in a trial?!

I guess so if you need to pad out the word count like he apparently did.

 

[HotesTilaire]

I actually cringed at the Alice in Wonderland quotes, is it normal to use passages fiction to back up your defence in a trial?!

He had a job to do, he got it done there wasn’t much “evidence” of them being innocent. Gotta fill the time with something, name meanings and children’s fiction if needs must.

 

[DianaBanana]

I actually cringed at the Alice in Wonderland quotes, is it normal to use passages fiction to back up your defence in a trial?!

It was about as relevant as the meaning of the name Constance

 

[Thegirlwhouk]

I'm not holding out much hope for a quick turn around.

A) nothing has been quick so far

B) we all thought the LL trial would return a verdict quickly but it took a long time. So much to consider and a lot that wasn't reported needed to be considered. So I'm hoping for the following Wednesday. I think they will take 4 full days of deliberation and I'm assuming they will get sent out end of Wednesday or early Thursday.

 

[Lynn’ssnazzycardigan]

What is and why?

Oh, I meant being a bit of an arrogant psychopath is probably helpful in performing one’s duties as a barrister So one wouldn’t be too distressed at the details of harrowing cases and also possess a certain theatrical flair to make an impression on the juries.

 

[neroli]

Facts not fantasy. Visual proof versus prevarication and nonsensical ramblings from a supposedly bereaved mother who treats the courtroom with contempt... and deafening silence from her partner in crime who has chosen to sit back and snigger.

 

[HotesTilaire]

Oh, I meant being a bit of an arrogant psychopath is probably helpful in performing one’s duties as a barrister So one wouldn’t be too distressed at the details of harrowing cases and also possess a certain theatrical flair to make an impression on the juries.

Ah got ya!

I’ve also met very nice barristers, but I think there is a real section of them that are thrilled to be able to unleash their horrible personalities on people AND get well paid to do it, with lots of kudos.

 

[neroli]

I actually cringed at the Alice in Wonderland quotes, is it normal to use passages fiction to back up your defence in a trial?!

Oh yes...The Alice in Wonderland/Lewis Carroll one is an old chestnut.

 

[Be our guest]

I'm so cross with the defence trying to argue that running away with Victoria was defensible because she had her older children removed. Whatever people think about the courts removing children it's not only lawful to do so but children's services are legally obligated to act where there is evidence of risk of significant harm. Preventing authorities from being involved with Victoria was preventing them from carrying out their legal duties. And the result was that Victoria died - so there is no 'benefit of hindsight they did the right thing' defence - they did exactly what they should have been prevented from doing - neglected their baby to death.

 

[pommobear]

The defence have got to say something - it's their job. It's up to the jury to decide whether they buy it or not.