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How can they not accept returns? Isn't everyone entitled to 14 days?
When I worked in Boots as a teenager they wouldn't accept returns for make up and possibly skincare in u less it was faulty due to hygiene reasons. It couldn't be sold on incase it had been used, that's why stores have tester.

In the US it's different, they seem to accept anything as a return (I've read stories about people returning nearly used up products and getting a refund).
 
When I worked in Boots as a teenager they wouldn't accept returns for make up and possibly skincare in u less it was faulty due to hygiene reasons. It couldn't be sold on incase it had been used, that's why stores have tester.

In the US it's different, they seem to accept anything as a return (I've read stories about people returning nearly used up products and getting a refund).
But you are entitled to return anything you buy online in the EU.
 
Me three.
Just curious, what products did you guys buy based on Caroline’s recommendations? What tools/habits did you add to your routine, are you still doing them?

I’ll start. I bought that Clinique take the day off balm, I quite like it so I’ve purchased twice and used them up, but switched to the balm from The Body Shop because it’s cheaper and works the same for me. I think balm is great for me as a first cleanse to remove makeup and sunscreen.

I’ve always used flannels before I came across CH. I mentioned earlier in the thread that I don’t really have a routine anymore because of my mental health and chronic illness but I use the Cerave cleanser nowadays, and I use some products from The Ordinary.

I bought the Pixi Glow Tonic years ago and it was crap so it was a waste of £18. I learnt about exfoliating toners so I’ve added that to my skincare. I’m 29 and still get mistaken for 17 but I should start doing retinols at some point. I can’t be arsed right now though especially in lockdown 🥴
PGT, is great for my skin, Victoria Secret bod s
Noone needs 50 serums. Half way through 2019 until now I have been shopping my stash, something Estee Laundry started, dont buy, use what you have up, easy to think about but hard to do with all these new releases and everyone telling u that u need a product. Ive enjoyed shopping my stash and realised I was spending wsy too much and not really enjoying the products the getting stressed about having to use it up before expiry date. There is nothing good about hoarding. But what you need when you run out, nothing exciting about having expired products and not even knowing what you have anymore

Not worth messing up your skin, sbop your stash and you end up really understanding more about your skin and what it likes and does not like

Dnt listen to sales woman Hirons. She doesnt care about your skin barrier, just your hard earned cash.
She’s sounding desperate, realising her game is up!! I think she knows people are on to her.
 
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Can anyone recommend who I *should* be following? - now that my eyes have been opened to the madness of the cult...
Hey I like James Welsh who is into K beauty products but had good general advice. I like Nadine Baggott as she's older and covers more of areas that I'm interested in learning more about.

I love Trinny and she does lots of skincare Q&As plus lots of other reviews, recommendations. She's very clear on products she buys vs gifted and recommends the same products pretty consistently so it seem genuine rather than xyz brand is doing a push. She's not for everyone because she's very energetic but I love that!
 
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She is entitled to create product and of course people have a choice- equally, we're entitled to talk about it here and we also have a choice.

Okaaay 🙂 am I allowed to talk about it too? That was just my perspective. I didn’t say anyone wasn’t allowed to talk about it.
 
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She's said no to Klarna but isn't Clearpay a buy now, pay later system? Similar to Afterpay and Klarna and the rest?

Not to mention, if a product doesn't work for my skin it is, in effect, 'crap' to me. It is impossible every product in those kits will work for every skin, and so inevitable some products will be 'crap' to certain buyers.

Just no Caroline. It's clear you don't care at all.
Exactly. One person's 'crap' is another's 'finest organic fertiliser' and vice versa!

Can anyone recommend who I *should* be following? - now that my eyes have been opened to the madness of the cult...
I follow Dr Anjali Mahto, Dr Natalia Spierings, Dr Sam Bunting who does really informative IG Lives with her consultant derm colleague Dr Em Wedgeworth. I also follow LabMuffin Beauty Science, Andy Millward and Cyrille Laurent (particularly good on sunscreen). I occasionally look at Dr Dray.
 
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I don’t get it. I just don’t ever look at her and my first thought is ‘her skin looks nice’ 🤷🏼‍♀️ 🙈
 
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It’s just massive hypocrisy
She’s whining people don’t have money cause of no work
But also saying buy my kit
 
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Right why is she suddenly this massive Liverpool fc fan all of a sudden...since theyve won a few trophies she seems to commenting all the time. I mean if she’s genuinely into football great, but I don’t think she is. just pisses me off that all of a sudden she’s got opinions on the team, the kit etc when it’s fashionable to support the club. Just another bandwagon to ride and rant about. I’m sure lfc don’t care about your opinions CH. Not like you were ever going to buy the away kit and wear it to a match day anyway 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
 
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It’s just massive hypocrisy
She’s whining people don’t have money cause of no work
But also saying buy my kit
Buy her new kit.
Donate to her new charity or else!
And support the beauty industry (so the likes of her can be kept in midnight freebies)

How deep does she think her followers pockets are?

"distract yourself by reading her book" I really don't think it's healthy how all consuming this is for so many of them
They really need to get a hobby
 
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Can anyone recommend who I *should* be following? - now that my eyes have been opened to the madness of the cult...
JESSICA DEFINO. I only started following her recently thanks to the Sali Hughes thread here, she is a proper journalist who cuts through all the crap and importantly has nothing to sell you. So refreshing.
To me the scary thing about those boxes or "kits" (not just Hirons) is the supposed saving of them. To me that shows the crazy mark up of beauty products
This is the thing - the products average £25 each. Some of them might have a far higher RRP so are seen as bargains, but you can't tell me under normal circumstances these people would be going out and buying 10 products in one go at an average of £25 each, potentially four times a year? What would be the point?

The worst part about her post is "[we] work really hard to get these kits to you" as if she's so altruistic and not getting anything out of it herself! This is literally her main source of income and she's speaking to people as if she's doing them a favour. It's kind of genius the way she's got so many people to fall for it. She will absolutely NOT be "put off doing brand deals", who the duck does she think she's kidding? 😂
(By the way, I'm not criticising anyone who buys one of these kits if they actually want the products and would have bought a good proportion of them anyway. It's her attitude that beggars belief.)

Or maybe the worst part is "we KNOW times are hard ... It's one of the reasons we said no to Klarna" - when she's offering Clearpay :unsure:

Or maybe the worst part is conflating "offering crap" with people saying the kits may contain products that don't suit their skin/they don't need. Cynical AF.

It really is a conundrum.

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I just don't understand how people think influencers offer unbiased opinions and care when they are being paid to push a product. Walk into a store with make up counters and each member of staff on the counters will sell that product because that's who pays them to do it. Same when sales assistant tells you an outfit looks good.

How can you trust a skincare expert like Caroline who slated Dermalogica and now promotes them?! She is only loyal to the brands who pay her.
 
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Honestly the whole influencer culture just needs to duck off already. Buying heaps of products because some blogger pretended to be our mate.

If you went into say, John Lewis, and the sales assistant told you you needed to buy 10 products @ £25 each, people would recognise that for what it is- selling. Caroline does it and she gets constant praise and "isn't she wonderful"

I just don't understand how people think influencers offer unbiased opinions and care when they are being paid to push a product. Walk into a store with make up counters and each member of staff on the counters will sell that product because that's who pays them to do it. Same when sales assistant tells you an outfit looks good.

How can you trust a skincare expert like Caroline who slated Dermalogica and now promotes them?! She is only loyal to the brands who pay her.
Snap!!
 
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JESSICA DEFINO. I only started following her recently thanks to the Sali Hughes thread here, she is a proper journalist who cuts through all the crap and importantly has nothing to sell you. So refreshing.

This is the thing - the products average £25 each. Some of them might have a far higher RRP so are seen as bargains, but you can't tell me under normal circumstances these people would be going out and buying 10 products in one go at an average of £25 each, potentially four times a year? What would be the point?

The worst part about her post is "[we] work really hard to get these kits to you" as if she's so altruistic and not getting anything out of it herself! This is literally her main source of income and she's speaking to people as if she's doing them a favour. It's kind of genius the way she's got so many people to fall for it. She will absolutely NOT be "put off doing brand deals", who the duck does she think she's kidding? 😂
(By the way, I'm not criticising anyone who buys one of these kits if they actually want the products and would have bought a good proportion of them anyway. It's her attitude that beggar's belief.)

Or maybe the worst part is "we KNOW times are hard ... It's one of the reasons we said no to Klarna" - when she's offering Clearpay :unsure:

Or maybe the worst part is conflating "offering crap" with people saying the kits may contain products that don't suit their skin/they don't need. Cynical AF.

It really is a conundrum.
It's just spending for the sake of it. If I buy all my skincare products in one go, it's over £200 but I get between 6 and 12 months out of it and never have to buy it all at once.

My cleanser for example is £52 and I get exactly 11 months out of it, using it twice a day.

I've found I've saved money by only sticking to what works for me, what helpsy skin condition and I don't try or buy random skincare and since doing this, skin is better and bank balance is better!!

She doesn't care as long as her pockets are lined and the money comes in. She probably doesn't care about beauticians fully opening, she's just worried it might do her out of a job as people realise they don't need her expensive kits.

And how can she claim skincare is everything when she's got there through surgery regardless of how minor the procedure.

And her face fascinates me, stretched, shiny and crazy high cheekbones and equally high forehead, its like plastic!!
 
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I agree on buying a small set of products that work. Honestly, it makes me sick to my stomach when I think how much I've spent on skincare I don't need over the years.
 
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