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Far more balanced than "they're great just because I say so and stop whining about fragrance okay"
The thing about fragrance is that yes, some people may be intolerant or just have a heightened sensitivity to a strong fragrance BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, companies hide ingredients in “fragrance” because it’s proprietary and they legally don’t have to disclose.

I don’t understand her comparison of the sunscreens. Is she also saying that the scientific evidence proving that some sunscreen ingredients have negatively affected the coral reefs is false?

The thing about fragrance is that yes, some people may be intolerant or just have a heightened sensitivity to a strong fragrance BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, companies hide ingredients in “fragrance” because it’s proprietary and they legally don’t have to disclose.
I don’t understand her comparison of the sunscreens. Is she also saying that the scientific evidence proving that some sunscreen ingredients have negatively affected the coral reefs is false? And also, if Fenty’s products are made for darker skin tones, why did she get her panties in a knot when she found out she wasn’t on their PR lists?!?! She’s such a bleeping hypocrite.
 
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I'll always be grateful for her blog because it fixed my skin after an absolutely horrific reaction to something, but my god is she not just insufferable these days.

I recently had to do my refresher training for BLS. They have changed how you give CPR massively because of the proximity involved. And she's raging because she can't get a facial.

You shouldn't be pushing for more to open, quite frankly it should be that other things should be shut.

I've truly reached the end of my teather with her.
 
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I'll always be grateful for her blog because it fixed my skin after an absolutely horrific reaction to something, but my god is she not just insufferable these days.

I recently had to do my refresher training for BLS. They have changed how you give CPR massively because of the proximity involved. And she's raging because she can't get a facial.

You shouldn't be pushing for more to open, quite frankly it should be that other things should be shut.

I've truly reached the end of my teather with her.
You’re so right. She should get priorities right. I used to love her vlogs. I don’t recognise her these days. She’s ruined herself.
 
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The thing about fragrance is that yes, some people may be intolerant or just have a heightened sensitivity to a strong fragrance BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, companies hide ingredients in “fragrance” because it’s proprietary and they legally don’t have to disclose.

I don’t understand her comparison of the sunscreens. Is she also saying that the scientific evidence proving that some sunscreen ingredients have negatively affected the coral reefs is false?

The thing about fragrance is that yes, some people may be intolerant or just have a heightened sensitivity to a strong fragrance BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, companies hide ingredients in “fragrance” because it’s proprietary and they legally don’t have to disclose.
I don’t understand her comparison of the sunscreens. Is she also saying that the scientific evidence proving that some sunscreen ingredients have negatively affected the coral reefs is false? And also, if Fenty’s products are made for darker skin tones, why did she get her panties in a knot when she found out she wasn’t on their PR lists?!?! She’s such a bleeping hypocrite.
The other thing with fragrance is that just because you’ve been fine with it in the past, doesn’t mean you can’t suddenly develop a sensitivity / intolerance towards it. So it’s disingenuous for Caroline to tell everyone that she’s never had a problem with it so it’s fine.

Also, I don’t understand why, when Fenty skincare has been developed specifically for younger, darker skin tones, they’ve sent it to loads of middle aged, and/or white instagrammers. I get that for the reach, the biggies would be sent it, but some of the people I’ve seen showing it off I’ve thought what’s the point because you‘re going to be trying the product on the wrong type of skin.
 
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The other thing with fragrance is that just because you’ve been fine with it in the past, doesn’t mean you can’t suddenly develop a sensitivity / intolerance towards it. So it’s disingenuous for Caroline to tell everyone that she’s never had a problem with it so it’s fine.

Also, I don’t understand why, when Fenty skincare has been developed specifically for younger, darker skin tones, they’ve sent it to loads of middle aged, and/or white instagrammers. I get that for the reach, the biggies would be sent it, but some of the people I’ve seen showing it off I’ve thought what’s the point because you‘re going to be trying the product on the wrong type of skin.
Didn't she beg Fenty to send it to her as she wasn't included?

She's fawning all over them in every post/story clearly wants to be on their list 😂
 
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The other thing with fragrance is that just because you’ve been fine with it in the past, doesn’t mean you can’t suddenly develop a sensitivity / intolerance towards it. So it’s disingenuous for Caroline to tell everyone that she’s never had a problem with it so it’s fine.

Also, I don’t understand why, when Fenty skincare has been developed specifically for younger, darker skin tones, they’ve sent it to loads of middle aged, and/or white instagrammers. I get that for the reach, the biggies would be sent it, but some of the people I’ve seen showing it off I’ve thought what’s the point because you‘re going to be trying the product on the wrong type of skin.
Hmm yes! This is a good point. Hormonal changes, if you’ve moved to a new place where the water is harder or softer, other environmental factors. She needs to get knocked off her high horse.
 
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Hmm yes! This is a good point. Hormonal changes, if you’ve moved to a new place where the water is harder or softer, other environmental factors. She needs to get knocked off her high horse.
Hormonal changes, isn’t she all about our beaten up menopausal skin at the moment?! She should remember who her audience is. Although in this instance I think she’s trying to get them to buy it for their kids... sod their skin, and if the fragrance did cause a reaction they’d never know if it was down to that or just teenage skin anyway.
 
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I follow a woman on IG who works for BET, is Black and frequents a dermatologist for her skin. She took the (gifted) Fenty skincare line to her last appointment and derm’s opinion was basically none of the products will “hurt” you, they’re affordable, but unless you’re 20ish with decent skin, they won’t do much. If you can afford to spend money on your skincare, especially if your skin is more mature, do t but if not, then these products are fine, just don’t expect miracles. This woman also mentioned how she’s had much better luck with skincare developed by doctors (I made a comment earlier about how Hirons never really rates Dr brands) Anyway, I thought that was a really honest review for something gifted and it made a lot of sense.
I've not watched the stuff about Fenty Skin, I'm not really interested in it (don't get me wrong they have done a lot to promote inclusivity I've just never really been all that interested in the brand). I remember her Kylie Skin review was basically they weren't bad but also nothing groundbreaking. She is probably raving about Fenty due to BLM.

I don't totally agree with you about CH not rating 'dr' brands, she regularly promotes Zelens and Dr Dennis Gross products and I've seen her on a number of occasions talk about how she likes brands led by science. The only 'dr' brand I've seen her trash is Sturm because her products are crazily priced and she wasn't a doctor who specialised in skin...

May have missed something recently as not really been keeping up with CH's lives/stories.

Totally agree with people's criticism of her accepting PR beauty appointments and then telling everyone they need to support the beauty community, you would have thought she could have seen how hypocritical this was of her.
 
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I've not watched the stuff about Fenty Skin, I'm not really interested in it (don't get me wrong they have done a lot to promote inclusivity I've just never really been all that interested in the brand). I remember her Kylie Skin review was basically they weren't bad but also nothing groundbreaking. She is probably raving about Fenty due to BLM.

I don't totally agree with you about CH not rating 'dr' brands, she regularly promotes Zelens and Dr Dennis Gross products and I've seen her on a number of occasions talk about how she likes brands led by science. The only 'dr' brand I've seen her trash is Sturm because her products are crazily priced and she wasn't a doctor who specialised in skin...

May have missed something recently as not really been keeping up with CH's lives/stories.

Totally agree with people's criticism of her accepting PR beauty appointments and then telling everyone they need to support the beauty community, you would have thought she could have seen how hypocritical this was of her.
I always question why she loves retail Dr brands but rarely has time for the ones you might find in a derm office like Dr Obagi or skinceuticals etc. At this point I’m cynical enough to think it’s because they don’t do sponsorships....
 
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I always question why she loves retail Dr brands but rarely has time for the ones you might find in a derm office like Dr Obagi or skinceuticals etc. At this point I’m cynical enough to think it’s because they don’t do sponsorships....
Yep, Zelens and Dr Dennis Gross have both paid her to advertise them in the past, I think she may have done something with Perricone way back too? The others haven’t, that’s the difference.

On her latest post, notice the calendar notes a CH summer skin kit? She didn’t mention it, but will have known that it will be noticed. Obviously placed there on purpose. Sneaky. So, naturally it’s creating a buzz... they’ll all be wetting their pants over it 🙄
 
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Yep, Zelens and Dr Dennis Gross have both paid her to advertise them in the past, I think she may have done something with Perricone way back too? The others haven’t, that’s the difference.

On her latest post, notice the calendar notes a CH summer skin kit? She didn’t mention it, but will have known that it will be noticed. Obviously placed there on purpose. Sneaky. So, naturally it’s creating a buzz... they’ll all be wetting their pants over it 🙄
Omg I can hear all of the Freaks with their huge disposable incomes now! 🙄
 
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I'm very much a lurker, but I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the group earlier...

Someone asked about cerave vs cetaphil and here's Caroline saying she hates cetaphil. Then someone said it worked for her and dermatica recommend it.. So Caroline's going to email dermatica about it??! How important does this woman think she is?! Of course different products work for different people, I just can't believe this level of egotism
 

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Yep, Zelens and Dr Dennis Gross have both paid her to advertise them in the past, I think she may have done something with Perricone way back too? The others haven’t, that’s the difference.

On her latest post, notice the calendar notes a CH summer skin kit? She didn’t mention it, but will have known that it will be noticed. Obviously placed there on purpose. Sneaky. So, naturally it’s creating a buzz... they’ll all be wetting their pants over it 🙄
I think she did mention an August skin kit a while ago
 
I'm very much a lurker, but I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the group earlier...

Someone asked about cerave vs cetaphil and here's Caroline saying she hates cetaphil. Then someone said it worked for her and dermatica recommend it.. So Caroline's going to email dermatica about it??! How important does this woman think she is?! Of course different products work for different people, I just can't believe this level of egotism
Who the bloody hell does she think she is?
 
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I'm very much a lurker, but I couldn't believe what I was seeing in the group earlier...

Someone asked about cerave vs cetaphil and here's Caroline saying she hates cetaphil. Then someone said it worked for her and dermatica recommend it.. So Caroline's going to email dermatica about it??! How important does this woman think she is?! Of course different products work for different people, I just can't believe this level of egotism
I really hate it when I see comments such as ‘what does Caroline think of X product/brand?’ FFS! Who gives a toss.

Better question: ‘what do fellow 35 year old women with oily/combo skin think of X Product/brand?’

Caroline is ONE person on multiple payrolls, you will not get a sincere, qualified answer!

edit: and welcome 🤗
 
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Should a white woman be making the below statements? (all from Hirons’ Fenty reviews.)

Her anger that most big beauty brands are designed for and tested on white skin is obviously justified. But then she gets so far out of her lane, my jaw dropped. I’m white too, but I think raising these questions is potentially useful?

Why did she not invite a black woman to take over her (huge) platform and review Fenty?

Here goes:

“Do you know how hard it is to convince younger black women to use an spf?”

“It is impossible to persuade some black girls - and I say girls cos they’re the ones I see the most - to wear SPF.” [She explains that the girls she is referring to are Ava’s friends.]

“Niacinamide is a brilliant ingredient especially for a darker skin, but to make it bright, which is what you want.”

“What makes it for black skin? Rihanna makes it for black skin, that’s what.”

And then she gets really inappropriate (I added the bold):

“Now, the strangest part for me was people complaining that the SPF was chemical... and not mineral UV filters because... I’m quoting... ‘mineral is better for sensitive skins and oceans and causes less irritation‘ That is all complete bull.

I‘m just gonna put it to you like this, and then this can be the quote of the day, OK? Rihanna making an SPF for black skin and using mineral sunscreen ... is like a white person, hear me now people, is like a white person... is like me bringing out an SPF that was boot polish, that was black, because when I put it on my face it blackens out my face. If you put those mineral sunscreens on a dark skin it is like this [holds a white flannel in front of her face] Yes - it’s me, I have a flannel to hand. Right? This line is not made for you and that’s absolutely fine.”

“It is literally like me bringing out an SPF and it turns my skin black. This is made for a dark skin tone, it is not made for you, OK?”

“So just to reiterate - asking someone, who is a black woman, to make a sunscreen that suits a white face is bizarre - to me.”

“It is like me bringing out a SPF and it like turns my skin black.”

“They are made for her demographic which is predominantly darker skin tones, black skin, and I’m sure it suits them absolutely perfectly and it’s about bloody time, let’s face it. I have about 5000 products... 4995 of them were tested on white skin...”

WTAF??

By the way, looking at the Fenty website it’s clear that while the range is focussed on WOC, they want it to be for everyone. I get that Hirons is angered if white people are complaining that the range is not designed for them, but I’m not sure that is what she’s responding to. And whatever, the above from Caroline is not OK. If she can’t do better than this she just needs to be quiet. Accept that - as she keeps saying - she’s not the target demographic, and pass it to someone more qualified to review it.

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Yep, Zelens and Dr Dennis Gross have both paid her to advertise them in the past, I think she may have done something with Perricone way back too? The others haven’t, that’s the difference.

On her latest post, notice the calendar notes a CH summer skin kit? She didn’t mention it, but will have known that it will be noticed. Obviously placed there on purpose. Sneaky. So, naturally it’s creating a buzz... they’ll all be wetting their pants over it 🙄
The kit is the recent one which had 2 options ... the calendar is msrked to just say whatvwas a person's fave product. .. hext would be an autumn kit!
 
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