Caroline Flack

[ShowMeYourFeline]

I think people should also look to her management to see why no one intervened, employers have a duty of care and she should have been forced to get help sooner, it was pretty clear she was seriously unwell and struggling. The media took it too far (as they often do with female celebrities) but they didn't have a duty of care towards her the same way her management did. They should have been the ones keeping her out of the spotlight and getting her help so she couldn't have even seen what the media were saying. A couple of months at a mental health facility/rehab and it would have as good as blown over by the time she was discharged.

For what it's worth to people saying it would have been very different if it was a man - Kobe Bryant was celebrated as a hero after his death this year but was a rapist. So it wouldn't have been any different if she was a man

Disagree, there wouldn’t have been as much of a media witch-hunt if she was a man. I believe it was this foaming at the mouth to see a woman prosecuted for DV, that led the police to upping the charge from just a caution.

I think if she was a man, there wouldn’t have been as much fuss, there would have just been a caution, and this fictional man could have gone on a successful PR campaign making himself look like a victim of provocation.

 

[SaLou]

I hate it when people share private messages, even if the person is dead.

 

[BugglyWuggly]

Listened to it this morning. I don't know much about Lou T and I did think the fact that she reached out to Paul to do the podcast a bit odd, she comes across as a bit fame hungry. However when talking about Caroline she was very respectful and it's obvious that she was an incredible friend to her, leaving her young daughter to watch Caroline and be there for her. Caroline's mother is blaming her friends who seemed to do way more for Caroline than she did herself.

Is the documentary still happening? It's taking forever.

 

[Snoopdog]

So

So sorry for your loss. But did u publicly accuse anyone? Like Caroline’s mother has? There is blame which is a human response to grief etc, and then there’s what she did which is unfair spiteful and unacceptable. She has had a long time to reflect and consider what to say if anything. And she chose to hurt unnecessarily and for no just reason’ imo should not have been allowed to happen at all!

Maybe if she had of been treated as and expected to behave like the Middle Aged woman she actually was. she could of grown up and faced up to her demons. She had the means to any/every relevant source of help.She chose denial, and her mother seems exactly the same! If the fame was too much for her she could of easily walked away, but As it seems with so many of these bleeding heart celebs they are unable to survive without total adoration. Any thing they don’t want to hear however minor is now a trolling incident.

Caroline’s mum won’t be thinking straight. It’s not even been 6 months since she died. I can’t speak for losing an adult child, but 4 years on from losing my 3 day old baby, I still live with the what ifs. I blamed everyone, and myself. Until recently, I woke every morning with those questions going over in my mind. I don’t think her mum is wrong in what she is saying - even the coroner said the inspector seemed to be ‘splitting hairs’ and that Caroline had admitted responsibility. If it was the case that she was always going to be charged, then yes, but it seemed that there was a chance she would just receive a caution, which was what the cps originally wanted to go with and chances are, Caroline wouldn’t have completely lost everything and could have salvaged her career and reputation. I’m not saying that is right or wrong, she did assault LB - but she was also fragile and obviously vulnerable, and going to trial was, to Caroline’s mum and family, the thing which broke her and pushed her to take her life. Her mum will see that as the turn of events which decided her fate, and to be honest I am sure I would feel the same if I were her, and who is to know how we would react if faced with such a tragic situation. Losing a child makes you feel like your world has ended yet is still turning - you can’t comprehend how people are still going about their lives. And yes, Caroline was a grown woman, but to her mum she will always be her child.

 

[Uberrima fides]

And I do feel that she was possibly let down badly by her management. I work in PR and the outfit she wore to the court hearing was a disaster. As frivolous as it sounds, these things matter. Her management, if they cared about her would have appointed a crisis PR team who would never have allowed that outfit. She looked so vulnerable and although she may have had family and friends looking after her she was effectively thrown to the wolves in terms of the press. Says a lot about ITV.

Yes, I agree with this. I know that people will say she could go to court dressed in whatever way she wanted to (and, of course, that was her right). However, when appearing in court on such a serious issue, she would have been better advised to wear a trouser suit or a longer skirt. The outfit she wore played right into the press' hands - they were like a baying mob that day. I didn't see much evidence of ITV trying to protect her in the same way as they did with Ant McPartlin. I know that Ant and Dec are probably ITV's biggest and highest paid stars, but Caroline Flack was the host of one of the most successful shows on tv in Love Island, and yet, they left her to deal with the issue on her own when she was obviously a vulnerable person.

 

[Luce0331]

Seems kind of disrespectful to pose for pictures at a wake or is this the thing now?

 

[Purplexed]

Fathers 4 Justice are a horrible group of men who, in most cases, have rightly been denied access to their children. The Family Court rarely deny fathers the right to see their children without there being a damn good reason why they shouldn't.

I kind of agree about KK selling the private messages from Caroline though, she could have kept those to herself, it can't have made things any easier for Caroline's family in their grief.

I think it's strange about kerry Katona. Her ex, George was abusive to her, allegedly, and he had serious mental health issues, mixed with drugs and he too took his own life. Yet he was a villain, where Caroline flack was in more or less the same situation as him and she received sympathy from kerry Katona.
Gender biased for sure.

I think it's strange about kerry Katona. Her ex, George was abusive to her, allegedly, and he had serious mental health issues, mixed with drugs and he too took his own life. Yet he was a villain, where Caroline flack was in more or less the same situation as him and she received sympathy from kerry Katona.
Gender biased for sure.

Edit to add.. Just read she is now retraining as a life coach and counsellor. As someone who is a trainee counsellor and psychotherapist, I find this slightly concerning as she is the opposite of self aware and doubt she has the emotional coping skills required to go through this kind of study.
I saw the pic of the diploma she was talking about doing and I think it's a dodgy online course, prob 6 weeks of it, and not 4 years of doing a masters and then studying further to specialise..
Emma Kenney vibes.. Ie going on TV and being a phone in counsellor.. I shudder

 

[Chinese_whispers]

My friend ended her life in 2018 and still when I think of her it winds me. I can’t imagine that being my child and how I would feel but she can’t blame the world. Caroline had a mental illness and it was hardly a secret to those close to her. Why was she with her friends in her last days and not her family?

Sounds like she has a lot of misdirected grief and guilt she should process with a therapist and not on a tv show.

 

[Uberrima fides]

She wasn’t thinking how we would think.

That is why she needed the kind of professional help (crisis PR) that Girlyswot mentioned in her above post. ITV weren't providing it, and yet they fell over themselves to help Ant McPartlin.

 

[ChastityDingle]

Probably not a popular opinion but I feel for caroline.

In fairness, I think most people do feel for her.

 

[MrsBsDayOff]

I do have some sympathy for Caroline's Mum - losing a child to suicide must be one of the most heinously painful things imaginable. That said, Caroline, and only Caroline, is responsible for her death. She had a history of poor mental health and tried to take her life on previous occasions. If her friends had stayed, yes, she might not have killed herself at that point, but I suspect she would have done so further down the line anyway. Blaming her friends is cruel and is only making her look bitter and twisted.

She was totally unsuited to a career in the public eye.

 

[Pinkstuff]

How do you mean? Does Lou not approve of the doc?

If I was Caroline's closest friend, I wouldn't approve of this documentary at all, especially if it was my father that was the first to see Caroline. It looks like Molly is involved in producing this documentary which is in extremely poor taste.

 

[Whitepillowcase]

There aren’t many celebrity deaths that I’ve been affected by. I wasn’t particularly keen on Caroline tbf, but it has always played on my mind. I think the reason for this is that a lot of us have been in situations that have escalated under the influence of alcohol. Which is what I believe happened here. I don’t think she was an abuser, i think a situation got out of hand and escalated very quickly and I can honestly say I’ve been in situations like this where you think how did this happen?
Obviously she did have other mental health issues which is heartbreaking because this outcome didn’t need to happen. But I think if a lot of us were honesty there are times we have been in drunken arguments that could have escalated like this. Sadly for Caroline it wasn’t just a drunken argument. She had demons, and the world watching her,

Kind of annoys me that nobody talks about the role alcohol and illegal substances played in all of this.

Do we know this though? I’m not arguing, just interested to know if there’s any stories that mention this as I’ve always wondered if this was the case.

I honestly think that if I thought there was a chance I would be going to prison I may well have done the same. It’s such a sad sad situation.

 

[AlexTwist]

I think it's a shame that this is being played out on social media regardless of the circumstances.

Suicide isn't for public consumption.

I'm not sure making discussion of suicide a completely taboo subject is the way forward when discussing mental health.

 

[HollyGolightly]

I've noticed that some celebs that posted tributes for Caroline and claimed to be so heartbroken haven't even acknowledged her and have been posting selfies/videos like it's just a normal day. Some of them even posting sexy photos! Can't they have a day off social media out of respect? It just exposes how insincere they are.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

She threw something at his head when he was asleep, hard enough that it drew blood. I don’t think that’s in doubt is it?

 

[GingerSquid]

No one calls the police lightly in a domestic argument; he was clearly frightened and way out of his depth. We wouldn’t be analysing the legitimacy of any of it if it was a female that had been attacked and called the police. A lot of blame was also laid at his door; I remember people saying he was “dodgy” without much evidence of said “dodginess” - if there is, I apologise, I could just never see what was so bad about him.

 

[Phil I Buster]

So do we just not prosecute people or hold people accountable for their problematic behaviour in case they die by suicide? “She’s unstable, we will give her a pass”

(being devils advocate!)

 

[Curtaintwitcher45]

Ok I know that there is no time limit on moving on but can I just say I am absolutely astounded that Lewis has moved on so quickly. Caroline died in such a tragic way because of what happened that night, the aftermath, the press hounding her, the backlash and also because of the strain of not being able to see or speak to him or even post about him. She would be absolutely heartbroken to know that he has been able to move on so easily when she made it clear she couldn’t live without him. Her suicide note even said she hoped she and Lewis could find harmony one day. It’s just so sad that he has found harmony in the bed of another woman and so quickly. To also do it so publicly too is just so disrespectful not only to Caroline but also to her family who have to sit and watch him and Lottie all over each other on holiday.

I think a lot of people on here are just in the mind set that ‘she’s an abuser’ so it’s fine for him to go off with other women but let’s say none of the past events had happened and she had passed from a disease or an accident. Would it still be ok for him to forget her so quickly and find someone new?
No matter your opinion on Carloline, I don’t think it’s right especially as he declared his undying love for her on countless occasions. I think he is a hanger on and always been. It just so happens that his new squeeze is also famous and the paps always seem to know where they’ll be and when ...funny that.

 

[ChastityDingle]

If Caroline was so worried about being exposed by the crime scene pics being published, how would she feel about her life being exposed like this, her personal texts, her absolute worst fears?
I just can't fathom how a parent thinks this is a way to keep her memory alive.

Exactly.
I said similar upthread. Caroline wanted to keep her mental health struggles private - now her mother is laying everything bare. How does that add up? Far better get involved with advocating for better mental health services or suchlike.