Caroline Flack

[Piff paff puff]

I think it is problematic though if something is being stated repeatedly as a fact when it is simply not known.

And I do think that from a legal perspective it makes a difference - if she flicked the phone at him after finding something that upset her it is far less incriminating than hitting him with a heavier object in cold blood.

This is also why the report circles in on this.

i don't think it is fair to spread false facts about a person that can no longer defend herself and that most likely killed herself because she was unable to deal with these sorts of rumours.

The article also states that she did not want to go to hospital because she feared the press would pick it up.
This is why the coroner found that she killed herself because of the fear of the media and publicity.

I am also surprised that people have so little sympathy for her.

We should all remember that that this website is tattle, all gossip and if we want to consume facts go to a news outlet. So it really is pointless to get angry at opinions as that's all they are.

 

[NowIsGood]

One thing that annoyed me in that interview was when Lou said that if Caroline had a husband she wouldn't have taken her own life. Ridiculous when it was the men in her life who were causing Caroline so much pain. Are we really going to push this false narrative of a woman needing to be 'saved' by a man? Caroline needed to learn how to love herself

 

[Mrsturnerreturns]

That's awful, why isn't there an obligation for the Samaritan to ring emergency services if they get a call where a life is clearly at risk? I'd assumed there would be an obligation

I rang the Samaritans a few times years ago. I wasn't suicidal but quite depressed. I had family I could have talked to but I didn't want to burden them. Personally I found Samaritans comforting to talk to.

Only if the caller changes their mind and asks for help. But that could be too late. You are trained to sit it out with someone and be the last voice they hear.

 

[thegrumpos]

I feel very sorry for LT father as well. It seems like he was the one who ‘dealt with it’ in LT words as she was screaming and trying to comfort CF twin sister. He must’ve had to get her down, and perform CPR etc.
He’ll never get over that.
And then CF mum blames his daughter, I’d be utterly furious.

I had no idea it was LTs dad? I thought it was CFs dad? I assumed they rang her dad to get a key. Well where the fuck were Mr and Mrs Flack then???

 

[ahtisyourself]

I think it is problematic though if something is being stated repeatedly as a fact when it is simply not known.

And I do think that from a legal perspective it makes a difference - if she flicked the phone at him after finding something that upset her it is far less incriminating than hitting him with a heavier object in cold blood.

This is also why the report circles in on this.

i don't think it is fair to spread false facts about a person that can no longer defend herself and that most likely killed herself because she was unable to deal with these sorts of rumours.

The article also states that she did not want to go to hospital because she feared the press would pick it up.

But just because they couldn't agree on what the object was, doesn’t mean it’s false facts to state it was a lamp. Lewis said it was a lamp, Caroline said it was a phone. She’s no longer here and as it never went to trial we will never actually know, so people are going to fill in the blanks and make up their own minds. Anyway, for most people what the object was is irrelevant. Whatever it was, was thrown in such fury and force that it caused a wound. I think everyone here is aware of your stance by now so repeating yourself every second post is kind of futile.

 

[tagliatelle]

I sadly think that Caroline wasn't emotionally mature enough to cope with the consequences of her actions. And her path was fairly inevitable. Her Mum needs to STFU and stop blaming everyone else - if I thought for one second that one of my children was that close to the edge, I'd be glued to their sides screaming for professional help and not stopping until I had it.

BIB: tbh, I think that Mum needs to understand that no one could have saved her. Even if she’d been there herself, it’s highly unlikely she would have been able to do anything differently. C was obviously so determined — waiting until she was alone, etc — her Mum would have had to have literally provided 24/7 watch alone. There’s a reason nursing staff work in shifts: no one can do that alone. Until she realises that, though, I’m afraid she won’t find peace and will continue to put “blame” at the feet of people who are alive.

 

[Topaz]

I wish the press would be more accountable with what they actually print! Half of the time it’s not accurate. Surely they know whether it was a bloody lamp or phone she hit him with? Yes that doesn’t excuse what she did at all but they should at least have to report accurately! Personally I’d also rather people thought I self harmed, rather than it looking like I bashed someone so badly with a lamp, there was blood everywhere!

It sadly says a lot about her warped priorities that she would rather be thought of as a domestic abuser than as a self-harmer.

The 'Be Kind' stuff got really hijacked by celebrities in the years after as a way to shut down any criticism of themselves. It wasn't even a thing she actually said, it was a platitude she reposted on her instagram.

People should be kind, and decent, and considerate of others but it's actions that show you mean that not just the words. Is it something she actually lived by or something she thought looked good on the gram?

The way it's been overused and lost all meaning isn't her fault. In a world where you could be anything, she chose to be thought of as someone capable of domestic violence instead of setting the record straight, which is bewilderingly sad.

 

[ahtisyourself]

It’s definitely not just a scratch. It’s a wound that prob had quite a lot of bleeding. Yes his head isn’t hanging off but it doesn’t have to be in order for the attack to be considered assault. He was also asleep and she was rooting through his phone when she decided to throw something at him. It’s not an injury consistent with flicking a phone at someone either, imo. In my opinion she was standing over him and hit him with something, possibly a lamp with force

 

[ahtisyourself]

Maybe empathy given that she was a troubled person.

I also find it strange that nobody finds it notable that he and his ex sold the photo of the bloody bed to the Sun.
I find this outrageous! He reported the incident to the police, then takes a photo and sells it to the Sun!

And CF still wanted to talk to him and seemingly missed him!
If someone would sell a private photo to the media I would never speak to them again and they would be dead to me.
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I googled and the Daily Fail article talking about the "scratch" comes up:

https://www.archive.is/https://www....-tiny-wound-boyfriend-Lewis-Burtons-head.html

The coroner report said it could not be concluded which object was used, lamp, fan or phone.

The two things aren’t mutually exclusive. It can be true that Lewis is a strange fish and a bit of a wrong un, and also true that what Caroline did was unacceptable and deserving of charges for assault. Again, it doesn’t matter what the object was; she admitted she hit him, in her own words she “whacked him around the head”, that alone is enough to be arrested and charged. It doesn’t really matter who she is or her past or that she was troubled. The law doesn’t discriminate. She admitted to hitting him, and was so volatile in the station that night that she flipped a table when being questioned. Sadly she was an unpredictable person with violent tendencies.

 

[ahtisyourself]

“Well your honour, I asked chat GPT and they said she didn’t do it so….”

 

[truffletrot]

Katie Hind in the mail implying Caroline liked the snow . It does explain a lot, she must’ve been a nightmare on a comedown.

I did wonder as with MH issues adding that in, yeeesh. Alcohol & cocaine create a deadly depressant, we saw it with Mike too.

(I too have MH issues & was a binge drinker, quit 7 years ago & got on an antidepressant & it’s saved my life)

 

[thegrumpos]

Her mum would be better placed to use her platform and Caroline’s legacy to support a documentary looking at borderline personality disorder (which CF clearly had) and the links to suicide or mental illness etc.

Literally nothing will be gained from another deep dive into her death, even if they did conclude that the friends left her when they should have stayed - does that make them guilty of her death?
A better use of time and money would be bankrolling a proper documentary to shine the light on personality disorders or mental illness in high functioning (or appear to be) people.

 

[Badirene]

It seems to me CF had borderline personality disorder, she was clearly very troubled and needed extensive support, but from professionals not friends and family. It's deeply unfair for her family to imply CF could have been saved if her friends had not left that day. It's also wrong to downplay the seriousness of intimate partner violence, she could have killed her boyfriend by hitting him over the head as he slept. CF legacy now is to be a byword for not holding people in the public eye to account for wrongdoing, we must all "be kind" forevermore and not point out someone's wrongdoing just "in case".

Spoiler: BPD

• Fear of abandonment. People with BPD are often terrified of being abandoned or left alone. ...
• Unstable relationships. ...
• Unclear or shifting self-image. ...
• Impulsive, self-destructive behaviors. ...
• Self-harm. ...
• Extreme emotional swings. ...
• Chronic feelings of emptiness. ...
• Explosive anger.

 

[truffletrot]

Kind of annoys me that nobody talks about the role alcohol and illegal substances played in all of this.

 

[Rxt156]

Me still tying to figure out how to flick a phone

 

[Ginnyjo]

Interesting how in the article they say it was Caroline's twin who found her and have completely airbrushed Lou and her dad out of the situation when that poor man dealt with Caroline's body first and foremost.

Its worrying that even this detail was brushed over and changed to her mums narrative, how can we believe the rest is true? was there a lamp? was it a phone?
Her mum yet again isn't helping the perception of what happened.

 

[tagliatelle]

I trained as a Samaritan and left as I was on pins everytime I did a shift in case it was ‘the one’. For anyone who doesn’t know - Samaritans do not call the police if someone is on the line who has actively taken measures to end their life. They sit with them until the call comes to an end and they no longer respond, whatever way that may be.

Those poor people. What a terrible risk to expose volunteers(?) to.

 

[Miss98]

It's been confirmed in the inquest, on the Daily Mail and other sites that Caroline admitted to police that she hit Lewis, so she definitely was violent to him and that's why her caution got upped to a charge. As for police, definitely not all of them are perfect but at the moment they can't do right for wrong. If they let this go then there'd be an outcry at a woman being treated differently and because she's a celeb, so the DI upped the case to get charged by CPS and succeeded and gets shamed.

 

[ahtisyourself]

The sad thing is she took her own life a month before the world was about to change with Covid, and it’s likely her trial would have been delayed and news about her buried beneath death reports and latest covid crisis. If she’d only held on. But I guess that is simplifying the mental crisis she was going through massively. I feel for her when I think about the darkness and emptiness she must have felt on her last days. Nobody deserves that.

 

[RedMagnolia]

I read it as “you’re fucked”as I’m calling the police

And ending your career.

Same.



I said this yesterday (BIB) and I think we're both right.

I get the feeling her mother is quite venomous in her grief and blaming everyone around Caroline - Lewis, Lou and Molly would definitely not have been welcomed by her to the funeral in my opinion.

Her mum probably feels so much guilt about not realising her daughter was in such a dark place.

I find the way Caroline is referred to as a young girl quite disconcerting.