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Its a tricky one. If she were in a public place and the police felt she was a danger to herself for example then they could take her to a place of safety. This is usually what is called a 136 suite where she would be assessed. 2 docs have to make the decision to section someone. If the person comes in and says everything is fine etc, it is a difficult call to make.
Its a lot trickier of she is in her own home. I believe a warrant needs to be obtained for the police to enter. Warrant has to be obtained by a mental health professional amd there has to be a fair amount of history to go on. Previous admittance to a mental health unit etc.
It's been confirmed in the inquest, on the Daily Mail and other sites that Caroline admitted to police that she hit Lewis, so she definitely was violent to him and that's why her caution got upped to a charge. As for police, definitely not all of them are perfect but at the moment they can't do right for wrong. If they let this go then there'd be an outcry at a woman being treated differently and because she's a celeb, so the DI upped the case to get charged by CPS and succeeded and gets shamed.
I can’t understand why she was left alone by her friends after her suicide attempt the previous day.
Mollys testimony implies she thought the paramedics should’ve done more and Caroline should’ve been taken to hospital!
If she felt that strongly why leave her unattended the following day. The media says Caroline was angry with Molly and Louise and told them to leave! I get that, but if it were my friend I would definitely refuse until someone else had turned up to ensure her safety.
To me Caroline’s death seems completely avoidable but inevitable at the same time!
Mollys testimony implies she thought the paramedics should’ve done more and Caroline should’ve been taken to hospital!
If she felt that strongly why leave her unattended the following day. The media says Caroline was angry with Molly and Louise and told them to leave! I get that, but if it were my friend I would definitely refuse until someone else had turned up to ensure her safety.
To me Caroline’s death seems completely avoidable but inevitable at the same time!
I guess we don’t know how long they had been looking after her. She was a 40 year old woman, she made the decision to take her own life, I think her real friends looked out for her as much as they could. It seems as though she was determined to do it at all costs
Yes but I thought her friend said she had taken tablets the night before her suicide when they rang the ambulance and it never came.
That's the bit that I don't understand, either. I read that the paramedics asked her to see her GP the next morning and she agreed. Why didn't the friends stay until the GP had been to see her? I would imagine she had a private GP and a home visit wouldn't be out of the question. Even if she was raging at them to leave her alone? The paramedic who attended the flat after her death said she'd been dead for a few hours but the friend supposedly only popped to the shops. How long after her friends left did she take her own life?
You are partially right. It happened the night before and the ambulance came but Caroline told them she'd just taken anti-depressants and sleeping tablets but not tried to commit suicide.
That confused me too. I maybe just assumed it but at the time I thought she told her friend to go to the shop, bolted the door behind her and took her own life.
I must have read it somewhere that the friend returned and couldn’t get in so panicked and phoned Caroline’s dad who came straight away. Maybe all that was just what the press reported.
I know grief is a horrendous thing and I can’t imagine the pain of losing a child...but I don’t agree with her mum blaming the Police Officer at the enquiry. It’s never just one thing and she sounded like a very troubled woman. The Police and CPS would have been annihilated if they hadn’t proceeded.
I take it that none of these friends had contacted her family to say what was happening either. Seems so odd that they claim to be a close family but they weren't with her.
Exactly her mother needs to practice what she preaches #bekind, blaming the police officer is a disgusting thing to do! Wether she likes it or not she needs to accept her daughter did commit a serious offence! I bet she would of wanted it brought to court had it been the other way around! Also just because someone dies it does not make them a saint! Caroline clearly had issues. She killed herself because she didn’t want to face the contiguous her actions. She didn’t think about the people she would leave devastated only of escaping what was about to knock her off her pedestal!
Giving evidence via videolink, Mollie Grosberg explained why they avoided calling the police, and expressed her frustration over Caroline refusing to go to hospital.
She said: “We were obviously very scared about getting the police involved. She was trying to explain. It was agreed she wasn’t going (to hospital) and I got very angry and shouted, I said this was ridiculous.”
When asked whether Caroline pushed her friends away when she needed them most, Mollie replied: “Yes. Every time I left her for half an hour she would do something. It feels like she needed help.”
“She must’ve said ‘no-one will every understand what I’m going through’ ten times that morning. She was so scared to go to prison, of the police, the press … it was too much. All she cared about was everybody else being affected.”
Caroline’s friends ended up spending the night with her, but left the next morning at around 10.30am as the presenter was angry with them for calling an ambulance the night before.
Lou told the court: “Caroline spoke to her family about coming the next day because she wanted us to leave, she was quite angry with us. She didn’t want us there.”
I can’t help but feel so sad for her friends reading this. It sounded like Caroline was clearly very upset with her friends for calling an ambulance due to the clear emotional distress she was in even though they did the right thing by doing so. I’m sure they think all the time ‘what if’ we had just stayed with her that morning, it would be torturous. Lives can’t be lived with ‘what ifs’. Mollie says she got very frustrated when the paramedics were there and shouted it was ridiculous - whether it was aimed at them or Caroline it looks like those closest to her were too at a breaking point. Her sister said paramedics had been called on 4 separate occasions and as Mollie says above she couldn’t leave her alone for even half an hour without her doing something. I believe as sad as it is if she’d hadn’t have killed herself that day she would have another day. It was clearly constantly on her mind she wanted to end her life. She needed serious help but it was pushed away by her as she felt shame. It’s such a sad situation for all involved
She said: “We were obviously very scared about getting the police involved. She was trying to explain. It was agreed she wasn’t going (to hospital) and I got very angry and shouted, I said this was ridiculous.”
When asked whether Caroline pushed her friends away when she needed them most, Mollie replied: “Yes. Every time I left her for half an hour she would do something. It feels like she needed help.”
“She must’ve said ‘no-one will every understand what I’m going through’ ten times that morning. She was so scared to go to prison, of the police, the press … it was too much. All she cared about was everybody else being affected.”
Caroline’s friends ended up spending the night with her, but left the next morning at around 10.30am as the presenter was angry with them for calling an ambulance the night before.
Lou told the court: “Caroline spoke to her family about coming the next day because she wanted us to leave, she was quite angry with us. She didn’t want us there.”
I can’t help but feel so sad for her friends reading this. It sounded like Caroline was clearly very upset with her friends for calling an ambulance due to the clear emotional distress she was in even though they did the right thing by doing so. I’m sure they think all the time ‘what if’ we had just stayed with her that morning, it would be torturous. Lives can’t be lived with ‘what ifs’. Mollie says she got very frustrated when the paramedics were there and shouted it was ridiculous - whether it was aimed at them or Caroline it looks like those closest to her were too at a breaking point. Her sister said paramedics had been called on 4 separate occasions and as Mollie says above she couldn’t leave her alone for even half an hour without her doing something. I believe as sad as it is if she’d hadn’t have killed herself that day she would have another day. It was clearly constantly on her mind she wanted to end her life. She needed serious help but it was pushed away by her as she felt shame. It’s such a sad situation for all involved
Does anyone else find it slightly morbid that she felt it appropriate to post a pic at the wake? And the caption “Bye Beautiful” just really irked me. As if she couldn’t even be bothered to write “Goodbye”, such is her concern with keeping the insta feel to the post 
There’s something off about her that I can’t put my finger on. I can’t explain it but I get a shallow vibe from her.
QUOTE="Be More Pacific, post: 2031778, member: 27600"]
Found it on Lou Teasdale's account....
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Top photograph is Stephen Teasdale (presumably Lou's father) Lou, Lewis and Jack McGuiness (GQ editor)
Second photograph is Lou & Molly.
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There’s something off about her that I can’t put my finger on. I can’t explain it but I get a shallow vibe from her.
QUOTE="Be More Pacific, post: 2031778, member: 27600"]
Found it on Lou Teasdale's account....
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Top photograph is Stephen Teasdale (presumably Lou's father) Lou, Lewis and Jack McGuiness (GQ editor)
Second photograph is Lou & Molly.
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I think people need to be a bit kinder to Caroline’s mum. She’s grieving the loss of her child and she’s unlikely to be thinking rationally.
Agree completely with this. She'd made numerous attempts in the past (and not just recently either of anything Andrew Brady says is to be believed) which I would suggest were more cries for help - then she hung herself which is not usually a woman's chosen method (men hang themselves, women take overdoses in general terms) That's a very deliberate act and there's usually no coming back from it. She was determined. She wanted to die.
I think I read when it happened that she'd struggled with depression since her teens. I completely agree with another poster who said earlier that she clearly wasn't cut out for the celebrity world - she was too mentally fragile and sensitive which led to horrible traits like jealousy and paranoia. Huge highs and clearly terrible, terrible lows.
Sadly, she needed specialist interventation. I think it was probably always going to be her destiny without it - the court case was just the last in a long line of straws. I said it at the time but she reads like a classic case of BPD to me. That or bipolar disorder.
Grieving, yes.
Choosing to shout like a fishwife in open court, singling out someone and blaming them for your daughter's death knowing it will be all over the media is NOT ON!
I didn’t realise she’d screamed it all over the court, but I still think she should be cut a bit of slack. I’d imagine she’s living though hell.
[/QUOTE]Does anyone else find it slightly morbid that she felt it appropriate to post a pic at the wake? And the caption “Bye Beautiful” just really irked me. As if she couldn’t even be bothered to write “Goodbye”, such is her concern with keeping the insta feel to the post
There’s something off about her that I can’t put my finger on. I can’t explain it but I get a shallow vibe from her.
QUOTE="Be More Pacific, post: 2031778, member: 27600"]
Found it on Lou Teasdale's account....
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Top photograph is Stephen Teasdale (presumably Lou's father) Lou, Lewis and Jack McGuiness (GQ editor)
Second photograph is Lou & Molly.
I think those photos are in really bad taste. 'Living our best life' poses at your friend's funeral. I wouldn't dream of it and I don't think I'm unusual in feeling like that.
I think those photos are in really bad taste. 'Living our best life' poses at your friend's funeral. I wouldn't dream of it and I don't think I'm unusual in feeling like that.
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Yes, awful, but I think this is how some people live. They cannot do anything privately.
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Yes, awful, but I think this is how some people live. They cannot do anything privately.
I believe the family were on video link but the word "blasted" was used by the media and she said "you should be disgusted with yourself" and "this girl killed herself because you put an appeal through" to the DI - I can't imagine that was said calmly.
I think her mother needs to be a bit kinder! Imagine blaming anyone at all for someone taking their own lives! If it’s grief that’s one thing,she needs to blame someone who else if not the police, paramedics, friends, herself?? Their is no blame to place, no one made her kill herself! A series of events that she started led to her killing herself! And I imagine all involved particularly the police officer she so wrongly addressed the blame to feels terrible enough and has replayed this over and over! End of the day her daughter committed an offence she admitted to, so mayb start by admitting that to herself before blaming anyone.
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