Caroline Flack

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Did Simon Carroll know she was planning on taking her own life? The way his IG post is worded sounds like they’d discussed it and he knew, like the bit about her asking him to speak on her behalf and how she was tired towards the end. Maybe I’ve just taken it the wrong way but if he knew what she was going to do surely he would’ve tried to stop it?!

Also, the video on her Instagram of the bath photoshoot is quite disturbing. The look on her face at the end broke my heart 😢
It was the way he said "thank you for letting me say goodbye"

It makes you wonder if it was planned and she had the people closest to her to say goodbye without them actually knowing
 
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All I know is, when I was in a depressed state of mind, my mind was so extreme and final in its thinking. I genuinely thought for a FACT ‘my life is over, it’s ruined.’ That was without thousands of people revelling in my life being over. Sometimes before you make that decision to take your life, you are momentarily happy because the burden is lifted and you think, ‘I no longer have to feel this bad soon.’
 
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Some of us work really hard not to let the mask slip. Even when I’ve had huge wobbles it’s never been picked up at work.
Agree with this completely. I feel like my life is falling apart, cry myself to sleep most nights and yet at work I am completely in control, run a large team and smash it. It’s literally the only control I feel like I have sometimes and so it’s so important to me
 
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Did Simon Carroll know she was planning on taking her own life? The way his IG post is worded sounds like they’d discussed it and he knew, like the bit about her asking him to speak on her behalf and how she was tired towards the end. Maybe I’ve just taken it the wrong way but if he knew what she was going to do surely he would’ve tried to stop it?!

Also, the video on her Instagram of the bath photoshoot is quite disturbing. The look on her face at the end broke my heart 😢
When I read his post earlier, the wording made me think he knew too?
 
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There’s an old article where Caroline said she was in tears and depressed (at what I thought was a pretty harmless joke) that Graham Norton had made about her time on X factor. Of course this turn of events was going to cause havoc if one comment could made her depressed:

Norton had said that there was more of a chance of executed Anne Boleyn returning for BBC's historical drama Wolf Hall than Flack presenting The X Factor again.

"I'm sure it was quite funny but not so much when you're the person living that life, sat in the BAFTAs and the cameras are on you," she said.

"I remember the person next to me touching my arm in sympathy and just trying not to cry.
"I went home pretty much straight after. It was really horrible and my lowest point."
 
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Presumably, it’s for this reason:
‘A Guardian analysis shows the Sun published the most articles mentioning Flack in the six months before her death – with a total of 99.

The figure is around a quarter of the 387 stories published in print by all of the UK’s national newspapers in the same period.

A review of the stories shows that a quarter of all these articles took a negative tone, slightly higher than those with a positive tone, which accounted for 18% of the total.’

I have a genuine question. Do the members of this forum -obviously because you’ll be first to read it - believe that perhaps the U.K. as a whole is intrinsically negative? The media, the attitude, the general atmosphere?

I’m Canadian - grew up there and only moved here as a fully formed adult, so my ‘being’, my general views of the world is ‘Canadian’. We don’t particularly have a large celeb world (see Jess and Ben Mulroney on the Meghan & Harry thread) and tv shows and so on. Our English speaking culture is quite often imported from the US.

Ok, so where am I going with this? Well, I’ve started to believe that the media is just so bloody negative here. Don’t get me wrong, I can’t watch Ellen drooling over her guests and there always seems to be a ‘moral’ to many NBC/ABC etc dramas. After so many years here in the U.K., I can’t believe I just bought whatever celebs were schlepping and just accepted that they were great and I was just the average joe blow on the street.

However, since I’ve been here: Trashing celebs is a sport. We do it over drinks, at the school gates, on social media. But we also thrash our neighbour, the kids teachers, the PT at the gym. I read the news with my coffee every morning before school (I’m a teacher) and by the time I set off for work, I’ve ingested at least an hour of negative stories. Politician. Last night tv. Who left Love Island. I connect with my year 11s by sharing the hate over a particular influencer. I actually make ‘connections’ with people by being negative. Oh! I hate Sam Smith too!

I decided not to join in on the negativity in 2020. I‘m really struggling. I won’t trashed the mum in the tube top (it’s bleeping February witch!) at school with my best mate. I was quite scathing towards CF back in December but I’ve refrained from being unnecessarily negative. I’m reading the threads so it’s not like I’m a saint but I’m trying...
 
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There’s an old article where Caroline said she was in tears and depressed (at what I thought was a pretty harmless joke) that Graham Norton had made about her time on X factor. Of course this turn of events was going to cause havoc if one comment could made her depressed:

Norton had said that there was more of a chance of executed Anne Boleyn returning for BBC's historical drama Wolf Hall than Flack presenting The X Factor again.

"I'm sure it was quite funny but not so much when you're the person living that life, sat in the BAFTAs and the cameras are on you," she said.
Well Olly Murs did say she was fragile.
 
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To the post above, I hate to admit about my own country, but a large portion of our society are bullies, who glorify in other’s misfortune. We have so much sexism, misogyny, bitchiness towards women, to the point we tear them apart and ruin their lives. It’s readers of certain newspapers and magazines that search for it and get validated by others who unite in their bitterness. I quit the daily mail one
ce for a few months, and I felt lighter and I swear it contributes to negativity towards others and mysellf. It’s not a force for good.
 
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I have a genuine question. Do the members of this forum -obviously because you’ll be first to read it - believe that perhaps the U.K. as a whole is intrinsically negative? The media, the attitude, the general atmosphere?

I’m Canadian - grew up there and only moved here as a fully formed adult, so my ‘being’, my general views of the world is ‘Canadian’. We don’t particularly have a large celeb world (see Jess and Ben Mulroney on the Meghan & Harry thread) and tv shows and so on. Our English speaking culture is quite often imported from the US.

Ok, so where am I going with this? Well, I’ve started to believe that the media is just so bloody negative here. Don’t get me wrong, I can’t watch Ellen drooling over her guests and there always seems to be a ‘moral’ to many NBC/ABC etc dramas. After so many years here in the U.K., I can’t believe I just bought whatever celebs were schlepping and just accepted that they were great and I was just the average joe blow on the street.

However, since I’ve been here: Trashing celebs is a sport. We do it over drinks, at the school gates, on social media. But we also thrash our neighbour, the kids teachers, the PT at the gym. I read the news with my coffee every morning before school (I’m a teacher) and by the time I set off for work, I’ve ingested at least an hour of negative stories. Politician. Last night tv. Who left Love Island. I connect with my year 11s by sharing the hate over a particular influencer. I actually make ‘connections’ with people by being negative. Oh! I hate Sam Smith too!

I decided not to join in on the negativity in 2020. I‘m really struggling. I won’t trashed the mum in the tube top (it’s bleeping February witch!) at school with my best mate. I was quite scathing towards CF back in December but I’ve refrained from being unnecessarily negative. I’m reading the threads so it’s not like I’m a saint but I’m trying...
I definitely think that the media has become more *doom and gloom* recently. I remember when I was growing up that the news would always end with a 'feel good' story. A silly article about a talking dog or a world record breaker etc. There was far more light entertainment, mindless comedy and up-beat telly. I don't know if the media is providing what the public want or the public are simply consuming what is offered. It's a catch 22 but we could all benefit from a more positive outlook. I'd like to try harder this year too. Im going to make more of an effort to see the positive. Maybe it will be catching 😁
 
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The news is negative because good news does not sell. It's litereally been studied that people don't want good news all the time, they need and/or want negativity.
 
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^ we are interested in bad news but we don’t want to see the paparazzi hounded people with negative attention until they become bad news
 
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I think the comments her friend Simon made were all in reflection of what was said on the 14th, not that he knew she was planning on taking her life because there is no way anyone would have left her alone if they had that knowledge as ‘gospel ‘ it does sound like friends were accustomed to threats of it over a long time. She was obviously very good at manipulating/masking her intentions.

Hearing Danny say that she had said she was going to ‘have to’ plead guilty shows how scared she was of whatever was on the body cams coming out. I so wish she could have seen that the very thing she said she wanted to protect, her family, were so much more important than what strangers thought, being famous etc, but clarity in the minds darkness is rare .
 
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There’s an old article where Caroline said she was in tears and depressed (at what I thought was a pretty harmless joke) that Graham Norton had made about her time on X factor. Of course this turn of events was going to cause havoc if one comment could made her depressed:

Norton had said that there was more of a chance of executed Anne Boleyn returning for BBC's historical drama Wolf Hall than Flack presenting The X Factor again.

"I'm sure it was quite funny but not so much when you're the person living that life, sat in the BAFTAs and the cameras are on you," she said.
Graham Norton is a nasty basrard. He stuck the knife in when Sheridan Smith was struggling and stepped back from a West End role she had.

But yeah, be kind.
 
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These two (presenter off loose women and her husband who have a YouTube channel) offer some insight into what happened:
Oh the things I could say in some of those haha, though on one of them rather Citalopram ((is what Mark's on Nadias husband) like with I think other forms of antidepressants) have an accumulated effect (like a lot if not all epileptic drugs) was hearing (have no idea of this is true or not) but if she went back on those (antidepressants that is) in the first four weeks can make someone taking them rather with a lot of them I think can make people suicidal with me rather (not at all sure if this is true in anyway whatsoever but least someone said (nothing to do with any of these two videos) that she was back on some kind of antidepressants could have caused that but as I said have absolutely no idea if thats true or not), can rememer at one point just starring at the wall for about 20minutes I think it was, then another when I was almost (though never did) well wanted to really snap at anyone who asked me anything

Was from another video on that channel is really good actually :)

Was in one of these
 
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