Caroline Flack

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To the post above ^ I was put on citalopram and for a brief time, they gave me the energy to carry out a suicide but left me with all the negative, self loathing and anxiety. It was only when I increased my dose did those symptoms subside. Very scary stuff. Her friends were saying in the graveyard she didn’t have much energy as usual but if the catalog ran had started to work, lack of energy is sadly the first symptom to go, but the rest still remain.
 
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Is the article today on the daily fail one of their “we can’t say what we want to do here’s something random...” type stories? lewis Burton likes someone’s post. My first thought was are they implying there is/ was something between Lewis and Janette?!

I doubt they’re implying that! I remember Janette posting from Caroline’s surprise 40th party he had arranged for her.

Janette is happily married. Lewis is obviously just liking posts about Caroline that his/her/their friends post.

However, not sure why the DM felt the need to make an article out of it?
 
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I have a genuine question. Do the members of this forum -obviously because you’ll be first to read it - believe that perhaps the U.K. as a whole is intrinsically negative? The media, the attitude, the general atmosphere?

I’m Canadian - grew up there and only moved here as a fully formed adult, so my ‘being’, my general views of the world is ‘Canadian’. We don’t particularly have a large celeb world (see Jess and Ben Mulroney on the Meghan & Harry thread) and tv shows and so on. Our English speaking culture is quite often imported from the US.

Ok, so where am I going with this? Well, I’ve started to believe that the media is just so bloody negative here. Don’t get me wrong, I can’t watch Ellen drooling over her guests and there always seems to be a ‘moral’ to many NBC/ABC etc dramas. After so many years here in the U.K., I can’t believe I just bought whatever celebs were schlepping and just accepted that they were great and I was just the average joe blow on the street.

However, since I’ve been here: Trashing celebs is a sport. We do it over drinks, at the school gates, on social media. But we also thrash our neighbour, the kids teachers, the PT at the gym. I read the news with my coffee every morning before school (I’m a teacher) and by the time I set off for work, I’ve ingested at least an hour of negative stories. Politician. Last night tv. Who left Love Island. I connect with my year 11s by sharing the hate over a particular influencer. I actually make ‘connections’ with people by being negative. Oh! I hate Sam Smith too!

I decided not to join in on the negativity in 2020. I‘m really struggling. I won’t trashed the mum in the tube top (it’s bleeping February witch!) at school with my best mate. I was quite scathing towards CF back in December but I’ve refrained from being unnecessarily negative. I’m reading the threads so it’s not like I’m a saint but I’m trying...
I also believe social media plays a huge part and is society's downfall.

Magazines and newspapers publish negative articles about women in general and men are always portrayed as strong.

We all judge and pass comment and this was done between friends and family. Idle gossip but not particularly damaging as it didn't travel far so to speak.

Then various social media platforms began to appear and now everyone seems to forget that words do hurt and thinking nothing of firing off an abusive message to an influencer or a celebrity without second thought. Mainly because that person isn't in front of you, it's a picture on a screen and therefore not "real".

But to the person receiving hundreds of messages about what they've done wrong and how much they are disliked etc it is damaging.

It's so true that if you wouldn't say it to someone's face then you don't send it across the internet.

On the other hand, celebs (some) will court the media and do anything to stay relevant and talked about and almost invite it into their own lives. This goes under the guise of "that doesn't mean I'm open to abuse" yet we see celebs who can manage perfectly well to stay under the radar and stay relevant.

I still partake in idle gossip, I'm human but since the new year I've taken more steps to actually think about what I'm saying and how my words could affect someone. Equally, I call someone out if they are being nasty or bullying.

But again, the trolling subject is open to abuse and overused by influencers to the point where if you disagree, then you are a troll, you are then sent messages etc to be kind before then receiving a load of abuse from other followers because your message or comment was shared and the followers were pretty much told to attack (literally seconds after #bekind)
 
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Did Simon Carroll know she was planning on taking her own life? The way his IG post is worded sounds like they’d discussed it and he knew, like the bit about her asking him to speak on her behalf and how she was tired towards the end. Maybe I’ve just taken it the wrong way but if he knew what she was going to do surely he would’ve tried to stop it?!

Also, the video on her Instagram of the bath photoshoot is quite disturbing. The look on her face at the end broke my heart 😢
She looks so fragile like she's about to cry
 
I definitely think that the media has become more *doom and gloom* recently. I remember when I was growing up that the news would always end with a 'feel good' story. A silly article about a talking dog or a world record breaker etc. There was far more light entertainment, mindless comedy and up-beat telly. I don't know if the media is providing what the public want or the public are simply consuming what is offered. It's a catch 22 but we could all benefit from a more positive outlook. I'd like to try harder this year too. Im going to make more of an effort to see the positive. Maybe it will be catching 😁
Also, the news when I was growing up was in the papers and on the TV and then not really seen once the story had run its course. Now it can live on for years, thanks to it being shared amongst social media and info being added from outsiders etc and it's kept relevant for longer. You can also directly contact celebs etc through social media and share your, probably unwanted, opinion.
 
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To the post above ^ I was put on citalopram and for a brief time, they gave me the energy to carry out a suicide but left me with all the negative, self loathing and anxiety. It was only when I increased my dose did those symptoms subside. Very scary stuff. Her friends were saying in the graveyard she didn’t have much energy as usual but if the catalog ran had started to work, lack of energy is sadly the first symptom to go, but the rest still remain.
I would be surprised if she was actually on anti-depressants. There was an article where she talked about depression a few years ago and said she had tablets for a few months and then dropped them because they made her feel numb. Before Christmas she supposedly went to LA and was having a controversial type of therapy for 'PTSD'. I have serious doubts whether she was in the care of a doctor in the UK.
My guess is that she had moodswings, highs and lows and these were part of a personality disorder, anti depressants wouldn't solve those even if she was on them.
 
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Who knows what bad things we’d do after year of getting bullied in the public eye? And if someone I loved cheated on me, I’d be angry, I wouldn’t be violent but if I was pushed,
 
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When I first read her statement, I thought - gosh, an accident! And then I remembered every single abusive relationship I’ve been in, where it was always an “accident” We definitely don’t know what happened but I find seeing LB’s head-wound offensive, if he was a women we would be up in arms. Fact is - it looks pretty deep, could be hiding more and for her to have hit his head - he must have been lying or sitting down... it’s all very sad and I feel weirdly obsessed by it all. She must have been in such an awful state :(
I feel weirdly obsessed by it all too. No other celebrity death has affected me like Caroline's has. I don't mind admitting that I cried my little heart out on the Sunday. X
 
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Who knows what bad things we’d do after year of getting bullied in the public eye? And if someone I loved cheated on me, I’d be angry, I wouldn’t be violent but if I was pushed,
If you are violent because someone cheated you get the consequences. The ones her fans are saying she shouldn't have got.
If she decided Burton was cheating through paranoia, that's even less of an excuse. She also thought Jack Street was the one she'd marry but accused him of cheating online, then deleted it. All just because he was seen out socialising with someone he worked with.
It doesn't mean he was cheating. She even went on to publically accuse him of 'ruining her life' when he moved on after the argument! Seems like a pattern of idealising people ( unrealistic) and then going ballistic when you think they have flaws.

" Last week TV presenter Caroline aimed a cryptic barb at Jack, 27, after he
posted a message on Twitter urging people to vote for her to reach the
final.She replied: “Easing your guilt? Fill yourself with glee Jack” before deleting
the tweet..... The pair are said to have partied together at LA nightspots and were spotted
at Hollywood club The Abbey three weeks ago.
A source added: “Caroline didn’t know Jack was at those places and only found
out later through friends.
“This caused a big argument and they split. They couldn’t see an alternative."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/621927/glee-girl-stole-carolines-man/

I'm thinking she accused him and caused a big argument but he didn't play the game of getting back together and letting the cycle continue, After that she realised she wasn't in control of him anymore prompting the bitter 'ruined my life' posts.

Found this as well, another lot of deleted messages
"The Sun have reported that Caroline tweeted - and later deleted - an angry message aimed at Jack, writing: “@jackb_street dear you. Tiny little man. You’ll never change for anyone. But good luck with that.”
She then added: “Honestly he is evil.”

Those are pretty intense swings in the space of weeks and months, going from 'the one you'll marry' to 'evil' and splitting up!
 
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She was 35 at that stage. Very immature carry on. You’d expect it from a teenager
 
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"they weren't perfect" is all too often used to describe people that were found guilty of crimes less than murder and grape. 🤨

I wish her family would release a statement to ask people to not put her name to things.
 
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It was the way he said "thank you for letting me say goodbye"

It makes you wonder if it was planned and she had the people closest to her to say goodbye without them actually knowing
They do say, that once a person chooses to end their life (she obviously did as she hung herself - that is no cry for help it usually the final act) that they are met with a peace they’ve never had before which carries on until they meet with their plan. You rarely hear of people saying they have seen the person prior suicide that they looked in a bad place or unwell... it’s usually, I saw them yesterday and they seemed so fine and normal! Which they do, they’ve made their decision and they have nothing to worry about anymore because it’s over. So more than likely you are right, a bit of strange location mind a grave yard. Lol. Suicide is a very sad and confusing state of affairs.
 
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Sometimes when you put on a bubbly mask to the word, the only people who see your bad side is the person you’re in a relationship with.
 
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"While it's normal to have your mood shift from feeling good to feeling down, someone with BPD may experience very extreme mood shifts for minor reasons—going from feeling okay to feeling devastated, desperate, or completely hopeless within a matter of moments. In fact, many people with BPD feel so overwhelmed by these intense emotional shifts that they engage in impulsive behaviors such as substance abuse, binge eating, self-harm, or even suicidal thoughts or behaviors,1 in order to feel better."

https://www.verywellmind.com/mood-swings-in-borderline-personality-disorder-425478
 
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They do say, that once a person chooses to end their life (she obviously did as she hung herself - that is no cry for help it usually the final act) that they are met with a peace they’ve never had before which carries on until they meet with their plan. You rarely hear of people saying they have seen the person prior suicide that they looked in a bad place or unwell... it’s usually, I saw them yesterday and they seemed so fine and normal! Which they do, they’ve made their decision and they have nothing to worry about anymore because it’s over. So more than likely you are right, a bit of strange location mind a grave yard. Lol. Suicide is a very sad and confusing state of affairs.
In London a lot of people walk there dogs in grave yards I know a couple that are popular with dog walkers. I walked through one years ago that even had people picnic and sunbathing in it!

I don’t think that was anything sinister probably just a nice walk near where she lived
 
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In London a lot of people walk there dogs in grave yards I know a couple that are popular with dog walkers. I walked through one years ago that even had people picnic and sunbathing in it!

I don’t think that was anything sinister probably just a nice walk near where she lived
Totally agree. When I was little there was a large cemetery near my grandma's house. It was just a nice place to walk around with flowers and trees .very peaceful and pleasent!
 
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