Yes, I feel the same about a lot of women that choose not to shave. It doesn't bother me, it's your body so do as you wish, but don't tell me that my desire to shave is because I'm brainwashed by the patriarchy etc etc. How patronising.
I really hate when other people and I hate that it is usually women attack people for wanting to put effort into their health and stay slim!? Like if you are happy with your body then fantastic but I am aware that the little bit of weight I carry on my stomach is putting me a risk for health problems and I would like to solve that.
I get that headlines like get your bikini body can make women feel the have to look a certain way but you don’t! Do what you want! I’ll work on me the way I want to and you work on you the way you want to.
Also the holier than thou attitude because she used to be working class is bs. How much of it comes from no longer being working class? I doubt she would be romanticising poverty if she was still in it.
100% yes Feminism is that women are now being given the CHOICE to have body hair or the CHOICE to be happy at whatever weight however we should still recognise that some people CHOOSE to be hairless or whatever other thing!Yes, I feel the same about a lot of women that choose not to shave. It doesn't bother me, it's your body so do as you wish, but don't tell me that my desire to shave is because I'm brainwashed by the patriarchy etc etc. How patronising.
Yes understanding that feminism isn’t about wearing this or not shaving that or liking that writer... there is no defining way to get you in the club or keep someone else out. It’s about realising that women have been told what to do for centuries and we have to respect each other’s right to choose for real equality.100% yes Feminism is that women are now being given the CHOICE to have body hair or the CHOICE to be happy at whatever weight however we should still recognise that some people CHOOSE to be hairless or whatever other thing!
It really annoys me when women try to impose their will on other women because that is essentially what we have gone through historically and I don’t want to swap one asshole telling me what to do with my life with another.
Ah you’re right and I agree, that’s an important nuance. I also shave my legs or get my bikini line done in the knowledge I’m a product of the patriarchy. Not saying everyone who shaves is, there are lots of reasons. But if I’m honest with myself I know I’m doing it because I’ve grown up being told it’s ugly for a women to be hairy, which in itself has all sorts of grim origins.Absolutely, we can accept our differences. But some things *aren't* feminist choices, even if we do them. I wear make-up and shave my legs, that is not a feminist choice. I'm not going to beat myself up about it but I'm not going to pretend that it's some kind of empowering statement either. Feminist analysis is difficult and uncomfortable and questioning - it's meant to be. It isn't about policing each other, but it is about clear thinking and acknowledging things we might find uncomfortable.
CM gets that in part but she falls down with the neediness and wanting to be liked. Ah well.
I 100% agree with the two above posts! Many people still make these choices for different reasons though as well Feminism is so interesting and so nuanced that to be fair to CM would be difficult to get across in one short article!Ah you’re right and I agree, that’s an important nuance. I also shave my legs or get my bikini line done in the knowledge I’m a product of the patriarchy. Not saying everyone who shaves is, there are lots of reasons. But if I’m honest with myself I know I’m doing it because I’ve grown up being told it’s ugly for a women to be hairy, which in itself has all sorts of grim origins.
The act isn’t feminist. But modern feminism is all about being aware of the contradictions between what we say and what we do... still cogs in the machine ourselves after all... so I guess I’m just agreeing with you here
And it's so dependent on where you are generation-wise - I am 40something so too young for the hardcore "shave nothing" brigade but old enough to find pube removal downright odd because it just wasn't a thing when I was young. I can huff and puff like Caitlin about how pube removal is expensive and painful and a waste of time but I accept that if I were a decade younger I probably would not see it that way. I have to keep my mind open about how culturally conditioned we all are.Ah you’re right and I agree, that’s an important nuance. I also shave my legs or get my bikini line done in the knowledge I’m a product of the patriarchy. Not saying everyone who shaves is, there are lots of reasons. But if I’m honest with myself I know I’m doing it because I’ve grown up being told it’s ugly for a women to be hairy, which in itself has all sorts of grim origins.
The act isn’t feminist. But modern feminism is all about being aware of the contradictions between what we say and what we do... still cogs in the machine ourselves after all... so I guess I’m just agreeing with you here
Yes I agree..And it's so dependent on where you are generation-wise - I am 40something so too young for the hardcore "shave nothing" brigade but old enough to find pube removal downright odd because it just wasn't a thing when I was young. I can huff and puff like Caitlin about how pube removal is expensive and painful and a waste of time but I accept that if I were a decade younger I probably would not see it that way. I have to keep my mind open about how culturally conditioned we all are.
Me too. I do loads of things that I know are patriarchally determined. It’s pretty easy to work out what’s ‘determined’ (let’s avoid brainwashing) - are men required to do it?nuance. I also shave my legs or get my bikini line done in the knowledge I’m a product of the patriarchy. Not saying everyone who shaves is, there are lots of reasons
I didn't mind Raised By Wolves, but that was a dumb as fuck thing to say.I remember her saying that Raised By Wolves was the only sitcom by/about working class people. LOL. I hope Daisy May Cooper isn't friends with her.
She wrote for Melody Maker and won a young journalist award. Loads of journalists and presenters started in NME/Melody maker in the 80s/90s when print media was still a thing and that style of music was popular. She was unusual in being a young female in that environment. But as a route into the media at the time, a very, very well trodden one.People can change and aren’t defined by their past I know, but it’s always amazed me that a woman who was a basic, terrible indie band groupie back in the 90s has any sort of prominence now
It’s like making Shaun Ryder a columnist on gardening because he knew a lot about certain plant extracts
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