Baby Reindeer Netflix #3

[ActiveLies]

I think the need to pathologise her is so odd because realistically, aren’t all people who are capable of inflicting trauma upon others mentally unwell in some way? It may not be diagnosed, but the ability to willing and knowingly stalk, harass, rape, murder, etc etc is not remotely mentally sound behaviour and of course all those who do such things are mentally unwell. Yet until there is a specific diagnosis that accounts for that wilful criminality and sociopathy, the thing these people all have in common is that their desires and needs trump those of their victims; in short, they’re selfish cunts. Fiona is a selfish cunt. Whether inspired by delusion, past trauma, neurodivergence, whatever else, at the very basis is her belief that her need to contact someone incessantly, to lord over their life, to impose herself in ways she’s not wanted, is more important than that person’s right to feel safe and at peace: she is a selfish cunt.

The interview did nothing but confirm that for me. All her lies just attempt to justify her dangerous selfish cunt view on life.

 

[Tangerine Cat]

She also said the only current technology she has was a very old smartphone because her other phone packed in the other week, before she moved.

Interesting that her phone breaks just as she's exposed as Martha.

I don't feel sorry for her at all. She may have mental illnesses but I was surprised at how lucid she was in real life. She is a nasty piece of work, trashing Richard and the actress playing her.

She nodded her head everytime she denied something and shook her head everytime she agreed to something like the lie detector (which is a pointless thing to do IMO).

She thinks she is superior to most people but on a par with Piers as she said on Facebook that her and Piers 'had done the best they could with the show'. I've worked in law and she keeps saying she's a lawyer to intimidate people but she specialised in employment law she knows Jack shit about suing people. There is no lawyer boyfriend- she's a liar.

My sister is a narcissist and has broken our family up with her endless drama then playing the victim, so I really struggle to empathise with people like her. That could be my sister sat there claiming all sorts - all of which would be untrue. They KNOW they're lying but they do it anyway because they hate you. They have to rubbish your name, they have to beat you at a game you're not playing and don't understand.

People like her are evil and dangerous.

Anyway, I think Piers set her up, next will be the proof of her lies, he deliberately didn't prod her too much to make her angry. She really believes Piers is her friend because in her head he's as successful as she is.

 

[Maiyo2020]

The way those eyes were wildly flicking to the side talking about the ‘boyfriend’ - lies

He goes to a different school vibe.

 

[Ingognito.Queen]

Is it wrong that I am basing my entire day around sitting down at 8pm with a glass of wine to watch this interview?

 

[Elle Woods]

Fuck me im not a fan of piers but he’s had the patience of a saint in this interview

 

[Diagnosis123]

"I can mingle with both Prince and Pauper"

 

[judgejohndeed]

What is an impoverished middle class upbringing?

 

[soupmodel]

How the fuck can she have an issue with how the TV show depicts her if she's never watched an episode?!



She's no in Scotland cause she couldn't fucking hack it up here. Would never last, no one would put up with her shite.

"Did ye, aye...?" comes to mind.

 

[judgejohndeed]

Nobody has an unlimited right to privacy or anonymity. She’s actually very lucky she hasn’t ever been prosecuted because the judgment/s would all be in the public domain anyway. Why should anyone be allowed to make the lives of several other people absolute hell for years and have it kept private?! She said she didn’t ask for all this attention, did all the people she’s stalked ask for that? Complete and utter nonsense.

 

[soupmodel]

I have two diagnosed aspies in my house, another one who has just been referred for an assessment and a fourth who spends every weekend here. Like your loved ones, all of mine are incredibly empathic.

My son can't bare the thought of anybody being upset and cries floods of tears if any of his siblings are being (reasonably) told off. If he thinks he has upset somebody it breaks his little heart and he tells me through sobs "mummy, my heart is bleeding"

He might not be great at understanding other people all of the time, but he certainly cares about them

We live in a house of big feelings too and, boy, is it a draining rollercoaster at times! It also means the love and laughter is huge and for that, I'll always be thankful
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Not even after any time off, just over night!

 

[iieee]

Why has nobody that worked at the pub, or her ex boyfriends, or just people who knew her and Gadd at that time, spoken to the papers or even tweeted? I think it’s very strange in this day and age for someone not to have spoken out.

Just in response to this bit, I have had a couple of Fionas in my life, and there is absolutely no way I would speak publicly about the horrible shit I know they have done, because that would immediately put me back in the firing line to be on the end of their harassment and fixation again. So I don't find this strange at all.

And to the person who mentioned peep show, I literally thought of Rainbow Rhythms as soon as I saw that scene! Lots of other parallels too. Very interesting.

 

[judgejohndeed]

I’d love it if Gadd went rogue now and just released a video of all these emails or something

 

[Libbylulu]

What I’ve learned mostly from Baby Reindeer and particularly from this thread is how much more common stalking is. In my own naive bubble I’d only thought of celebrities being stalked and even then thought they had security. I hadn’t ever given it much more thought.

I am so shocked and saddened by the stories of those members on here who have experienced stalking. It just blows my mind that those terrible things have happened to you, when you are just going about your regular lives. How you live in fear even when things are ‘quiet’. I can’t imagine the stress, anxiety and fear of living your daily life and nobody doing anything or police intervening.

I hope this show has highlighted stalking to a stage where authorities, friends, family and colleagues take everything seriously from the get go to help the victims.

Much strength to thosewho have suffered this experience and are continuing to live in uncertainty and fear!

 

[dovelist]

Also can we take a moment to recognise that Fiona FINALLY admitted there was a reindeer in some shape or form.

 

[Mardymermaid]

The comment about using lie detectors for mass murderers stuck out to me. I just get the feeling she uses that to minimise it to herself. As in oh well I didn't murder anyone I'm not a criminal like them.

 

[Diagnosis123]

The lights are on but nobody's home

 

[Lola UK]

She panicked that piers was about to wheel out a lie detector. I could see it in her eyes.

 

[Not_A_Troll]

Because a “sorry to hear you were raped” letter is completely normal

 

[InkHeart]

I agree that some are, yes but to apply that to all people on the spectrum would be the same as saying all people with Autism lack empathy, which is not the case. There are neurotypical people who can’t lie. But some people of either type are capable of deception

I am autistic and a carer for a more severely autistic relative. It isn't about what you agree with, it's medical facts. Autistic people also do not lack empathy, that's a disproved myth. This woman does not exhibit any signs of ASD except obsessiveness, which can be a trait in anyone.

 

[No tea just coffee]

Thank you for saying this. Total merail but something I found quite cathartic about BR was the fact he didn't report. I didn't report either and there's a weird stigma around not reporting. You can be weirdly blamed for the fact the perpetrator may attack again and, had you reported, you might have saved someone. There can be a really horrid grief and guilt around not reporting.

I hate this stigma. Having worked in SA recovery the majority who I worked with hadn't reported. The system is so shocking most didn't see the point and just wanted to focus on their own recovery. Sometimes those who reported felt like they had been through more trauma when the case never went any further and were left feeling more hopeless and victimised.